My wife pointed this video out as an example of game. The older man (Shaggy) is an extreme example of unshakable frame.
His advice to the young player caught by his girl (not wife for those prone to confuse the two) is to deny the obvious; It wasn’t me. He even takes on Shakespearian overtones:
To be a true player you have to know how to play
If she say a night, convince her say a day
Never admit to a word when she say makes a claim
And you tell her baby no way
The young player is confused; how could she possibly believe him since she saw him with another woman on multiple occasions? After each line Shaggy interjects with his unshakable frame (It wasn’t me):
But she caught me on the counter (It wasn’t me)
Saw me bangin’ on the sofa (It wasn’t me)
I even had her in the shower (It wasn’t me)
She even caught me on camera (It wasn’t me)She saw the marks on my shoulder (It wasn’t me)
Heard the words that I told her (It wasn’t me)
Heard the scream geting louder (It wasn’t me)
She stayed until it was overHoney came in and she caught me red-handed
Creeping with the girl next door
Picture this, we were both butt naked, banging on the bathroom floor
Shaggy explains that if the young player keeps his frame and remains attractive the woman will most likely overlook his blatant transgression:
Whenever you should see her make the giggolo flex
As funny as it be by you, it not that complex
Seeing is believing so you better change your specs
You know she not gonna be worrying bout things from the past
Hardly recollecting and then she’ll go to noontime mass
The last line is especially interesting because it suggests that the woman’s own morality is purely superficial. She is having sex with a man she isn’t married to, and once she is convinced of his alpha cred shrugs the issue off by going to mass. Obviously this isn’t married man game, and while the lie is deliberately obvious he is still lying. Ethical issues aside, this is an excellent (albeit extreme) example of the power of frame.
Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations.
I am reminded of this scene from “A Guide for the Married Man”
http://www.videosurf.com/video/joey-bishop-in-denial-with-ann-morgan-guilbert-1236259456
Joey Bishop and Ann Morgan Guilbert.
As Robert Morse says “Deny Deny Deny”.
Gwen should be giving advice to men more often. Nice job hun
Funny enough I learned that while married. She would deny being wrong ever and changing history, so I went with that. Better to watch the effect on her that let it get to me.
Helps explain why I’m divorced.
…and having a low stress life style.
Shaggy is riffing on an old Richard Pryor routine. “Wasn’t me. Who you gonna believe? Me, or your lyin’ eyes? Wasn’t me…” Hilarous routine. I suspect that the harder you push it, the better it works. It’s a variation on something we crude pre-internet fellows discovered: treat a woman somewhat callously, and she’ll call you back. Be nice and she’ll start dating your buddy…
Props to wifey for decoding Shaggy’s accent. I can make out about 1/5th of his words. It’s like listening to Mexican radio.
I understand just a little
No comprende, it’s a riddle
When I was in the marine corps i was speaking to another SGT and he told me of his master sgt he had. The master sgt asked him if he was married and he answered yes. The master sgt then asked if he had a girlfriend it was no at the time. The master sgt told him if he wanted a girlfriend he should only have one and for his wife he advised unless she physically grabs you the answer is always “it wasn’t me” and this was from the late eighties. I know guys that get off on the interaction with women and that is one thing they do is tell them what they want to believe and it is amazing how effective it is.
The last line is especially interesting because it suggests that the woman’s own morality is purely superficial. She is having sex with a man she isn’t married to, and once she is convinced of his alpha cred shrugs the issue off by going to mass.”
It’s time like these thank gawd for the manosphere …
Morality only exists until a womans emotional state gets her off… after that all bets are off
Pump a womans emotional state & overload her logic… easy enough, any tactile touch will do, rub her arm,back,palm, … Or just pile the dramatic tone on … & watch her question her own eyes
Again it’s all about denying denying till ure blue in the face… cheating deny… Just say no …. caught with anther wmn jus pretend nvr happened …
It’s all about what the woman wants to believe… Once you realise women don’t have a rulebook… You can alter her perception of the social context of the situation to whatever you want it to mean
Women use social context first , then a what’s known as a kinetic naval check… The same check you use to correct if your writing is right , basically whats it look like to the group, then an emotional check if it feels good or bad, then a chick switches to logic
For a woman to use logic she has to go through at least a 3 stage process, as women are wired to use White matter instead of grey matter
If you alter the social context, ie thru tonality, vibe of your speaking, or just by making it fun or dramatic, you alter her meaning of logic
If you make her feel good or dramatic, or prevent her from feeling bad, even if the social context is bad, you alter her perception of the social context, & you alter her meaning of logic
Basically alter, the social context, the kinetic chck, ie does it feel good or bad, or the logic, alter one of the three & you alter the rest
If you really want to get fancy find out what her preferred perceptual system is.. Ie visual audio or kinetic – emotional
Then use her preferred system to rotate through her emotional response ie alot of visual words – insert a larger amount of imagery or visual words into your convo – to get her to do stuff
To not get her to do something use her none preferred system ie if she uses alot of visual stuff in her words, use a higher amount of audio stuff, ie that doesn’t sound too good, or I hear alot ppl don’t like that …
This is a problem alot of Cples have they’re wired to to pick up visual words or visual imagery, while they’re partner maybe if he’s a musician or drummer, conditions himself to pick up audio descriptions in a convo
Anyway women use logic through a social context, they don’t use logic directly
Get a woman emotionally riled up, ie make them feel bad & they start to self destruct, irrespective of the long term consequences
Supply the correct environmental cues of her being in a harem with a strong alpha, by directly manipulating any of the three, with extreme amounts of confidence & if she has high self esteem shes putty in ure hands
If she has low self esteem she won’t be able to reconcile the fact she isn’t in a harem or a nuclear family & her biology starts to randomly run environmental eco cues to check if the guy is alpha ie her biology goes nuts & she starts shit testing the guy like crazy
Ie by crying or bitchy or jus plain irrational wackjob batshit
Remember shes just running environmental ecoology cues to replace the cues she isn’t getting from a crowd of ppl
Women run on social environmental cues without those she shit tests like crazy … Which is why u dnt want to marry one, unless you can feed her needs via a large family, or a large social circle
Feed her Hypergamy by screwing with the above 3 & her need for status whoring ie large family & throw her headfirst into a social circle & you too can turn into the batshit crazy shittesting chick whisperer … ie gamer or pua….
It was also a riff on Eddie Murphy in “Raw”.
MackPUA:
Blog link plz.
Gwen gets it.
The ultimate reframe is counter-accusations. Eventually she’ll be apologizing to you.
“I caught you on camera!”
“Wasn’t me. What the hell are you doing spying on me with cameras? How can we have a good relationship if you don’t trust me and you’re spying on me? I don’t know if I can be with a girl who sets up cameras to watch me”
It’s not really nice stuff, but the counter accusation works almost too well. Been in situations similar (phone snooping). There is no morality to all of this
Off topic, long ass post … lol :
@YBM
“MackPUA:
Blog link plz.”
MackPUA is me … it’s my iphone avatar
Typed all that on an iphone on the john, yes i’m that good … lol
Rejecting Modern Women – Blog coming in January, rediscover what a true woman is
Remember modern day women are feral women, a woman is essentially an orphan without an extended family to stabilise her, turning her feral
A woman turns feral without a strong alpha
I also take techniques from Athol Kay, & how women can turn mangina’s back into alpha’s
I dont know if you guys realise this btw, but Athol Kay’s literally invented game for chicks … dont tell Walsh ffs …
Basically the problems pretty much all of Walsh’s readers have is this :
Alpha’s screw over hot chicks, hot chick emasculates alpha, hot chick wonders retardedly why her gina tingle toy no longer works …
The problem most men in the manosphere have is this :
Carousel riding chick, screws over hapless beta, beta turns into the wrong type of asshole, starts to payback chick by being emotionally reactive, ie an emotional highly strung asshole, or an even bigger asshole, the mangina
Roissy has an excellent post on this – called Caring Vs Uncaring Assholery
What Athol Kay has done, is come up with a system to save the marriage & relationships of mangina’s & alpha’s, by getting rid of the crutches guys use to maintain their mangina lifestyle, basically by forcing the wife to treat them as high powered, unrelenting alpha’s
It’s a stunning system, & highly effective
Chicks basically need to learn how not to get screwed by the alpha’s & jerks they retardedly marry … & then whine about like morons …
Athol’s brilliant answer … is treat them like alphas … obvious to anyone, but chicks … so he’s laid out a plan for chicks to treat them like alphas & save their marriages, relationships
Also Carousel Riding Sluts, need to learn how to turn the beta drones, they settle for, into alpha’s, otherwise the CRS screws over the beta & takes half of his livelihood …
So if you want to save a beta from being screwed over …
Athol’s brilliant answer again… is treat them like alphas
Without a strong alpha, there’s basically no relationship, as tribes are designed to function on the leadership of the alpha, for survival obviously, which is why when a 5’4 alpha walks into a supermarket everyone takes note …
Anyway Rejecting Modern Women, a working title, is my answer to walsh’s Hooking up smart, & yes it will offer game for girls, but will be designed not to give women any real advantage, except to build the guy up
A bit like feminism lol
Understand frame… but prefer to not play around. If this society considers that a loser, then I will, as Cappy Cap says, preserve my family and watch the decline.
But I won’t enjoy it. I don’t like getting my blood alcohol level that high.
@Dalrock epic comment on roissies site on christianity, chck it out :
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/should-game-be-taught-in-school/#comment-298143
@joe blow
@dex
yeah, i thought it was eddie murphy. did richard pryor do it first?
seems like it was eddie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Wasn't_Me
“Contrary to popular belief that Shaggy coined this phrase, it was actually comedian Eddie Murphy who had done so having used it several years earlier [4] in a bit that was part of his regular comedy routine and would eventually be featured in his 1987 movie, “Eddie Murphy: RAW.”
kinda sad that people are forgetting eddie. he was a genius.
their strength is also their weakness, women are extremely easy to emotionally manipulate
I seem to recall that the excellent Mr Chuck Berry wrote a song by the name of: It wasn’t me.
Frankly I like this blog because it limits “game” discussion, nor does it equate game with morality.
There’s also a more ‘politically correct’ / New Age way for either sex to “spin” this:
“It wasn’t my best self!”
Well they have another thread up and running about you dalrock.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7644019/
They (the ladies of CF) say the gang here are teaching each other how to cheat then flip that around on her, like the song says. I had read this post a long time ago and find it hilarious, but really cannot find the “Christians teaching Christians how to blame shift” or whatever tripe they are on about.
Goodness. Satire escapes skimmers.
Interesting.. But what’s your opinion on being unfaithful?
Im not a relationship kind of guy (hence my 100+ lays haha) but I think that if you are in a relationship you should be faithful, and if you cant stay with her, then leave her.
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