Video blogger Man Woman & Myth has put together an outstanding series of short documentaries explaining the problems with feminism. Many of you may have seen some of his videos before, but I would like to drive more attention to them. All of us know men and women who might be somewhat open to breaking away from the fem centric frame of our mainstream culture on one topic or another. His videos are a great way to advance the conversation with someone who isn’t ready to accept how profoundly feminism has corrupted our culture. Think of them as topic specific glasses you can share with others without overwhelming them.
Here is some information about the author from the About page on his blog:
The author of this site is from the UK, is married and is eminently well-adjusted. He has decided to create this site and the documentary video series out of a desire to point out the numerous and glaring failures of Feminism and bring the spotlight onto its single crowning achievement: the extensive and horrific institutional hatred against men in Western societies – misandry.
Thankfully, the author has not fallen foul of the various pitfalls Western men must navigate due to Feminist women and the Feminised state and cannot, therefore, be easily classed as the “bitter-and-twisted activist”. There are no unhappy marriages or nasty divorces, no paternity fraud or unwanted children, no false rape accusations or any particularly negative event whatsoever which prompted this website and documentary. He is simply a man who has a clear view on the toxic nature of Feminism, its corrupting effect on women and it’s larger negative effects on all of us.
Feminism only truly serves the state and certain other groups, but women just don’t see it. Feminist women don’t understand that they are not the opposite sex, they are the complimentary sex. The “battle of the sexes” defeats us all.
In future weeks I’ll spotlight different videos. I think the weekends are ideal for this because you probably won’t want to watch videos at the workplace due to the political nature of them. Feminism is truly our state religion and videos like this are therefore heresy. Assuming you are in a place where you can freely watch the video, enjoy his youtube short: Misandry – Men Don’t Exist
Having already taken the red pill, that video was a little too slow for me. At the two-minute mark, I was like “get to the friggin’ point” and shut it off.
I admit that my own red-pill perspective makes me less than objective. Perhaps if I watched it to the end, I’d agree that it’s a great spoon-fed introduction to misandry for blue pill consumers. I just don’t have that kind of patience anymore.
[D: Try starting at 3:17. It goes faster from there on.]
Nice post Dalrock!
“How all occasions do inform against me,” stated Hamlet as he recognized the forces aligned against him.
As time goes on, men will find a rebirth and renaissance in reading the Great Books and Classics in their original language, or in translations penned before 1950. For the bible I recommend the KJVB, or, if you must, the NKJVB. The Judeo-Christian tradition contains man’s greatest assets–his greatest myths–the very souls and spirits of his exalted fathers–their trials and tribulations–their exalted advice on women, marriage, justice, money, and life. Beside your bible, keep a copy of Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey and Socrates’ Apology, for you will find that they have far more in common than not.
The Bible begins with Moses’ heroic, physical journey–liberating his people from the corrupt King. On the first page of the Iliad, Achilles rebels against his corrupt King. Both Moses and Achilles appeared to exalted Natural Law–of Zeus and Yahweh–and tough Mill and Locke would expound upon Natural Rights millennia later, Jefferson referenced not Mill and Locke, but our Creator in the Declaration of Independence. Indeed–liberty’s poet Thomas Jefferson wrote, “As we advance in life, they all fall off, one by one, until we are left with Virgil and Homer, and perhaps Homer alone.”
So fellas, go forth and read Shakespeare and the Bible as the Men that You Are. Read Homer and Virgil. Exalt in your classical, Judeo-Christain Heritage, for it was paid for in blood, sweat, and tears, and then given freely, to you.
And as Dalrock points out in the above video, understand that you will be attacked–often to the degree that you serve the spirit of Socrates and Jesus who internalized the external voyages of Moses and Achilles and blazed the hero’s journey of the spirit–understand that you will be attacked and persecuted by the false prophets, pedants, scribes, and pharisees–by the state officials who wash their hands while the feminist scribes author your crucifixion.
And remember, that even Jesus lost faith at the end. After the chief scribes and pharisees persuaded the people to free the murderous sinner Barabbas and leave Jesus to die, in the same way they do today, Jesus asked, “My God, My God, why has thou foresaken me?”
One can easily imagine the following playing out in our own time, with the controlling feminist’s/woman’s/corporation’s/university’s/mob’s preference for the perverse and sinful–for the debauched and degraded:
27:20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas (the murderer/buttcocker), and destroy Jesus.
27:21 The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
27:23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.
27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
27:26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
27:27 Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.
27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
27:29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!
27:30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
27:31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.
27:32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
27:33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
27:34 They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.
27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
27:36 And sitting down they watched him there;
27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.
27:39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
27:40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
27:41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
27:44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Now think about that. Jesus Christ–the man who has single-handedly influenced and exalted Western Civilization and the World as no other, lost faith in God in his final moments.
Aye, but let us explore one layer deeper, as we realize that “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” is but the beginning of the famous Psalm 22:1:
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
We don’t hear the rest, as Jesus has passed through the other side, but yet, we know what Jesus is saying, as we continue on in Psalm 23:
23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
What this means Men, is that as long as you hold true to your ideals, the false prophets and apologists have no power over you, neither in life, nor death. For as Jesus, the King of Ideals stated, “My Kingdom is not of this world.”
Thanks again to Dalrock and Heartiste for bringing those classical, exalted ideals to life with with and humor, day in and day out. 🙂
“Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.” -Herman Melville
Yeah, he’s got so many good videos, it’s hard to know where to start. Done in an even tone; good for getting people to understand and open their eyes.
MWM’s videos are excellent. My first taste of the “red pill” was when I discovered his YouTube channel through a conservative blog (Instapundit maybe?) back in early ‘10.
“Great Books” misinterprets the intent of Jesus’ words, and apparently failed to read the rest of the book himself if he concludes that Jesus merely “passed over to the other side.”
Nonetheless, the video does serve as a decent primer for early-stage Red Pill treatment. I often claim that there are two equally important aspects to being freed from “the Matrix.” The first is the realization of the poisonous nature of the Blue Pill. All of us have come across men that have reached this stage, where they realize that Blue Pill thinking just doesn’t correspond with reality (even though they may still be convinced that it should). These in general are the truly “bitter men,” who hate the reality that they have been exposed to but have not embraced (or perhaps even been exposed to) the Red Pill alternative.
Yeah, I don’t think this video alone is going to sway anyone, but it could likely serve as one swing of the axe to the Blue Pill tree, and the journey to enlightenment has to begin somewhere, right?
Dear LongLostFriend,
Jesus did pass over to the other side–from the pain and suffering of this fallen world, to the Kingdom of Ideals.
Best,
GBFM
You might expect that I would be a big fan of Man Woman Myth Videos – and I admire their content; those I have seen – but are they really in the same league as the Paul Elam Videos – I think not?
What is badly missing is some American Pzazz (I never though I would write that!). You always get Pzazz with Bernie Chapin. There is (I regret to say) something too Amateurish, and rather despairing, about them. They all follow the same format: A rather dull monologue interspersed with clips of Angry Harry (always good and very middle class even though he looks like an ex-hippy) the black guy (one really should not eat peanuts whilst talking on camera), and the well meaning middle-aged guy who has a daughter (very salt-of-the-earth working-class). The clips of Erin Pizzey are good but if you are familiar with Channel Four News and the BBC you know what to expect – you’ve heard it all before – for as everyone knows (did you not all watch the Olympic Opening Ceremony on Friday – privately all right thinking people have been slagging it off as beyond contemptuous) the BBC is to cultural Marxism what St Paul is to Christanity. In England it is all about class, and those videos reveal themselves – I am not sure whether the American ear is suffficiently attuned to hear it.
You are all welcome to disagree with me should you see fit.
Dear Opus,
Exactly! And that is why Dalrock & Heartiste have been so successful–more successful, I would argue, then the rest of the MRA combined.
For they have captured the spirit in unique, individualistic manners, unifying the nebulous ideas, and making them real, upon this Earth, in their respective contexts–both evolutionary and Christian, but always as exalted Men, exalting the best of both worlds–science and religion–and showing that the two pillars stand not perpendicular, but in parallel, supporting the body, mind, spirit, and soul above the feminist fray.
Remember–the Iliad is not about the Trojan War. It begins ten years into it, and ends three weeks later. It focuses on the Rage of Achilles. It begins in Media Res. And yet, as Abraham Lincoln stated, “It contains all that one needs to know about one’s fellow men.”
The poetic soul, like Homer, Dalrock, and Heartiste, are the ones who cats the ideas not in boring videos, as useful as they are, but in exalted, individualistic, poetic art.
Great resource. I haven`t got any horrible experience with women either such as custody problems, false accusations etc. I`m just pissed at the misandry and discrimination and to how I was fooled into acting way more beta than I naturally would have with women.
@Opus
Interesting. As an American I’m not qualified to either agree or disagree with that statement.
However, I do think that my readers will generally have a good sense of whom any given video is likely to appeal to. Not all messages are equally effective for every audience. What works for one culture/class likely won’t be as effective for another. With this in mind, I see these videos as a valuable tool to be used as the individual reader thinks will be effective. This same qualification applies for my blog as well.
My main issue with Angry Harry is that he’s quite free with hyperbole and uses propoganda techniques that will bother skeptical viewers. He’s definitely a fight fire with fire type.
But yes much of the ManWomanMyth stuff is worth watching if you’re prepared for it.
Great video ref, Dal. The rationalization hamster does not like being fed rational thought. The gastrointestinal discomfort will surely be met with a spewing meteor shower of fem trolls.
“Man” has become a politically incorrect phrase. Its significance and place in the western world is near obsolete. Feminism, which started as a noble concept to attain equality (much like communism), has evolved into the state-sponsored bastardization of the utilitarian man, thus disincentivizing sustained productivity and innovation. The honest, hard-working majority of men in society have to bear the moral and legal burden for a small minority of the male population who exercised their vices freely (crime, abuse, extortion, etc.). Past, future, and potential sin, all-inclusive, this is all a collective punishment that must be paid for by honest men. Meanwhile, women are brainwashed into a buffet of rights without responsibility. This feeds a generation of the hypercharged career woman with a princess complex who rides the carousel into biologically expired obesity, then complains that there are not enough men to “man up” and be with a strong, smart, independent woman.
Many men fall victim to this pedestalization of the woman and act as PR agents to propagate the feminist propaganda. Femster DJs like Dr. Phil and Bill Bennett keep the hamster wheel spinning by preaching behind their pulpit of modern accomplishment as dictated by societal standards, while lacking the modern experience that would endear any valid advice relevant to the modern man. These men enjoyed the benefits of the sexual revolution in their youth, then settled down with pre-feminist women, yet their high-horse virtuous advice fails to acknowledge the social forces that androgynize the male (emasculation) and empower the female (you go girl.. and she went.. too far). This is the plight of the modern male, not the lack of virtue, instinct, or morality.
Liberalism is based on empowered autonomy. Autonomy is based on the freedom to define and design one’s own destiny. Feminism applies autonomy beyond nature’s boundaries, and labels gender as a social construct. In the attempt to equalize the playing field and assume masculine traits, feminism has successfully displaced and destroyed the concept of masculinity, replacing it with androgyny. The seal of certitude has come with the institutionalization of misandry. No need to rehash female-centric media, legal system, and social engineering constructs, which subsidizes single motherhood, welfare for women over men, frivolous sexual harassment laws that can stand in court by basis of claim alone, criminalization of violence against women (but a blind eye for the inverse), male predisposition towards manual jobs at lower rungs of the socioeconomic spectrum (no affirmative action pleas here?), and widespread funding of breast cancer (prostate cancer, anyone?). Let us not forget modern divorce law, which facilitates the unassailable transfer of assets from a man to a woman, for any reason, or for no reason at all. The collective man has to pay the price for the transgressions of a select few, and this engenders a legal system which criminalizes men for their capacity, thus incentivizing women to benefit by manufacturing any perception of that capacity. In its effort to facilitate equality, the only byproduct is inequality. Similar to communism – noble in theory, destructive in practice. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In today’s feminist world, let us assume men and women earn 50%:
-Of that 50%, man will be taxed approximately 50%, which will fund the aforementioned state-sponsored initiatives. Man – 25%, Woman – 75%.
-Of that 25%, the average man will marry, and the alternative man will divorce. He is now left with 12.5%. Man – 12.5%, Woman – 87.5%.
-Of that 12.5%, 1 of 10 men will join the unemployment line. Once the 12.5% runs out, he will have no family to support him, and the taxes he contributed will be prioritized by the welfare towards the unemployed single mother in the homeless shelter, who chose to be with the non-commital alpha-male out of her volition, yet blames her circumstances for her current condition, not her choice. Man – 0%. Woman – 100%.
This is not a criticism on the modern woman, or the plight of a cuckolded man. It is a cultural commentary on the state of affairs that cannot be commented on publicly due to its perceived blasphemy towards the unquestioned righteousness and omnipotence of the state.
Population control has a new face, and western civilization beat China to it. Tomorrow’s society will consist of the woman, her child, and her politician. There will be no place for the modern utilitarian man, for his biological definition will be stripped from him, and his presence will considered a threat to female existence, thus he will be systematically castrated from society.
On a separate note, I liketh the neweth GB4M. elucidation of comprehension beyond butthexing elucidates quite the scholarly genius.
Thanks theprofessor,
Like Dante, to get to heaven, one must walk through hell, without closing one’s eyes, for after all, it is the light and truth that sets us free, as even towards the butthexters in hell, we feel sympathy. 🙂
Another halmark of Heartiste & Dalrock is how little time they devote to attacking, or condescending to, anyone in the MRA. This is because they are true leaders, with their eyes on the greater goal and higher ideals. The infighting and bickering over petty entities amongst the ranks has oft amazed me, especially in the face of the complete deconstruction and devastation of the culture, the church, the family, the university, and the currency. All too often it is as if the house is burning down, and the MRA blogger is arguing over what color to paint the dining room.
🙂
Televised debate on whether or not men are finished
GB4M, I think what LongLost means is that Jesus didn’t “lose faith”, he was making the observation that God’s presence had departed him while He was in a state of representing the sins of mankind, whereas in all of Jesus’ other moments in life, God’s presence was with Him.
He didn’t lose faith, He didn’t recant, He didn’t forget who He was or why He was there, He was remarking on the only time that the Father had to turn His back on His Son.
Further, kudos for a highly coherent comment.
lzozozozollzozozolzozl
Political correctness: Women, good; men, bad! (as expressed by Saturday Night Live)
Dear Samuel Solomon,
Yes! That is the poetic beauty of Matthew!
Jesus is both a man and a god. He both loses faith and finds it in a higher form, just as we lose the life we have so as to find the one we were meant for.
When one “loses faith,” oftentimes one gains a greater faith. For when one loses faith, it is often because the world falls short of one’s ideals, but yet, one still has the ideals, for without those ideals, how can one say that the world falls short–without ideals, one could not lose faith! And as those ideals transcend the fallen world, one joins them in crossing over, on towards the “Kingdom of Ideals.”
It is nice to discuss Christianity and the original text of Matthew with y’all!
One of the things that oft bothers me about modern books on Christianity is how much they ignore and neglect the gospels, which, in reality, are quite concise and poignant, and ought always be included, s as to remind us of their simple, profound, triumphant glory!
Best,
GBFM
P.S. I think Christianity is far more powerful if we think of Jesus as a Man on the Cross. His soul is godlike, transcendant, and it goes on to “walk through the valley of the shadow of death,” and come on out on the other side in God’s Kingdom. But his Body feels the infinite pain and suffering that we are all prone to, which makes him all the more heroic–for in the midst of that supreme pain, he loved his enemies and forgave them. Yes–a God going this upon the cross is Great–but a man doing this upon the cross is Beyond Great–it is truly Divine.
Blessings,
GBFM
@GBFM
It is not possible for me to begin to tell you how great the impact or timing of these words. Just know that they were weaved into your thoughts and writing for far more than you may know. Thank you.
Thanks Jacquie, glad to Serve on a Sunday. 🙂
That video is eye-opening. I’ve noticed a lot of misandry, but not that particular kind, the non-referring of men.
I blogged about misandry here: http://stakedintheheart.com/2012/07/19/do-men-have-a-right-to-be-angry-with-women/
Pfft GBFM sold out. Man you used to be cool.
^^^^ dude it’s Sunday zlzozoolzoz respect yo! 🙂
Is it me or is this turning into GB4M’s theology outlet?
No it’s not just you. He needs to get the Greatness of the Great Books off his chest and it just so happens that the greatest book of all is the Bible.
lozozozo
I apologize to all for speaking of the Bible, on a Sunday, under the name Great Books For Men.
lozozzlzozlzoz
This right here. He loved His enemies; He loved us although we hated Him. I want to try to follow His example – the anti-feminists whom I find to be the most influential are the ones who point out folly without appearing to hate the folly-doers – but I can’t find an over-abundance of love in my heart at present for feminists.
when we express malcontent towards feminists, it is oft in the context of our love for god & ideals.
when feminists express malcontent for men, it is oft in the context of their hatred of god & man.
this is why the bankers fund feminism. 🙂
Here is a little anecdote in which I will express malcontent towards feminists. I am not sure it is in the context of love.
We took our children to a museum yesterday. It was nice. One part had exhibits on abolitionists. The next part was the American suffragettes. The museum portrayed them as brave, heroic, freedom-fighters, even though they were just dreadful, bitter, and in some cases mentally ill, old shrews. At the end of the Suffragette exhibit, a mock jail with a bench in it had been set up, flooded with purple light. My daughters and I sat down on the bench in the jail cell, where a dramatized video about suffrage was being played on a monitor facing into the cell. Suddenly the video flashed a beautiful woman, supposedly the hunger-striking Alice Paul, being tied to a bed and a rubber tube being shoved down her esophagus in order to force feed her. My husband had just raised the camera in order to snap what he thought was going to be a funny picture of his daughters sitting in a jail cell. Instead, the image he captured was of their frightened faces, the youngest one’s mouth open in a cry of fear, as they fled out of the cell away from that horrible imagery on the video which some evil feminist exhibit curator had thought would be a good thing for families to view on a pleasant Saturday afternoon.
Do not forget Jesus not only said love your enemies, he wasn’t always turning the other cheek. Not when he was speaking Truth to the power of the Pharisees. Or when He made a whip and used it to drive the money changers from the temple. Righteous anger, that. There is a place for it. Goes along with “those he loves, he rebukes”.
@GBFM
Hey thanks for writing clearly my friend.It is so much better,thanks for the effort.
Regarding your quote “And remember, that even Jesus lost faith at the end. After the chief scribes and pharisees persuaded the people to free the murderous sinner Barabbas and leave Jesus to die, in the same way they do today, Jesus asked, “My God, My God, why has thou foresaken me?”
It is exactly Psalms he was quoting,which was written hundreds of years earlier and foretold his death down to the gambling for his clothes.His speech was to indicate the scriptures had been fulfilled,and hence he had done his job properly,in accordance to his Fathers will and prophecy.
Also,what Samuel Solomon wrote is also acceptable as an addition.But only as an addition.
Once again, TY4 the effort bud!
Certainly not a stretch of imagination, what did Jesus ALWAYS do when confronted by evil?
He quoted scripture,every time.
How could he lose faith in God when he WAS God in the flesh.An impossibility.
What’s more if you read Genesis Correctly “In the beginning there was the WORD.” Jesus said ” I am The WORD.
Hence it was the spirit of Christ,that called creation into existence.
Forever and always an order of Melchizedek.
Gen 14:18-20
Also “resurrected” in Hebrews.
Hebrews 6:20-8:2
Type anti-type and arch-type,illustrative and seminal to certain thoughts of an everlasting nature of God among men.
Check it out,eyes to see and all that!
Actually I have to retract my statement that found Samuel Solomon’s idea acceptable.That is a feel-good fiction made by the church to explain something they did not understand correctly.A common mistake.
The fact is Christ never sinned,and the father never turned away.
It’s a simple quote of scripture to indicate ‘job done.”
Nothing more,nothing less.
I do enjoy these conversations,glad to see the board come-round again!
God Bless-in understanding.
FB
Let’s not be like the disciples in the garden,Christ asked them to stay awake with him in his last hours,they took a snooze and the Romans snuck up on em.
No time to be napping.I guess I Blinked for a moment there,must be the late hour…
@Mary:
Sorry your kids got traumatized like that.The Agenda we are dealing with is a death-cult.
Gird your loins before battle.(Defcon4)
They will stop at nothing.Nothing.
Put on the scriptural armor of God,that is your protection,it’s in your mind.(And soul)
Hey thanks for writing clearly my friend.It is so much better,thanks for the effort.
What? GBFM has always written clearly! I’m sure these posts in honor of the Sabbath regarding the Great Books for Mankind was probably the easiest thing he’s written in the Manosphere….ever!
lozlzolzolzolzolzol You think lozlozlolzlolz-txt is easy?!?!?
GBFM….I love you.
Carry on your exalted work, Brother.
No problem with “working on sunday” which one of us wouldnot go looking for a lost lamb in a ditch?
Who would not leave the flock to go looking for the lost one?
Sound familiar?
Besides, I have no “proof”but is my ‘feeling’ that Saturday,being the last day of the week on your calender is most likely the sabbath.
Go ahead and look,Sunday is the first day of the week.
Whole religions have been fabricated from this theology,but really,if you consider the lack of early leap years and other errors introduced into the calendar,any day *could* be the sabbath.
It’s the principle that counts,the letter of the law killeth,but the spirit of the law giveth life.
When Jesus asks, “My God, My God, why has thou foresaken me?” I read it as Jesus asking, “My God, My God, why has thou foresaken me?”
🙂
And yes I know it comes from the Psalms–I say this in my original post–please read it. Thanks! 🙂
yes in Matthew Jesus hangs with Moses in the clouds:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/newsletter/2008_09/05
“According to the UBS Greek New Testament there are 319 direct quotes of the OT in the original Greek text of the NT. I think the Nestle Aland Greek text may give a slightly larger number.
Update: The NA Greek says there are about 470 quotes and ist is far more comprehensize than USB,” –http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081223094140AAzxZYE
Well there ya go,of course I saw it in your original post.
It’s right in front of your eyes.
Now you’ve posted stats as to OT being quoted in the NT.
You know doggone well Christ always quoted scripture as a response and a teaching tool,hand in hand with parables.When did he EVER come out with a direct response?
Eyes to see,and all that!
The fact still is
1>Christ never sinned,therefore
2.God never had cause to look away.
Why would God look away If he could?
He sees all anyhow.
Luke 23:46
“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice,he said ‘Father,into thy hands I commend my spirit;’ and having said thus,he gave up the ghost.
Clearly indicating that as Christ died he was in close communication with God,not on the outs/abandoned.
Seriously you have to take the entire book in context. My answer is the most logical,and also the not that POV that Christ somehow failed or was rejected for doing what he was sent to do,and outlined in Psalms.He knew from a child.It was with him daily.Surely he had time to consider his words.
If you fail to see the upright truth,that is just sad.
But it is good to be a witness to the other readers.
The truth stands on it’s own.
I would not take on quote out of context in any of the great books.
In addition, if you had studied using a concordance,you would know that “clouds” refers to a large gathering of people,like a “murder” of crows.
Not the poofy things in the sky.
Reading is one thing,reading with comprehension is another.
Yous gotta transliterate from the original Hebrew and Greek colloquialisms.
@GBFM,
It’s been said that one can determine what a particular culture valued most simply by observing the purpose of the largest buildings at the time and in that place.
Cathedrals were once the largest structures.
Which structures are largest now?
I thought you might appreciate that.
Thanks for highlighting this series, Dalrock. Going to watch it with most the family.
@Opus
Perhaps not, but never underestimate the susceptibility of an American to the English accent. In America, if you want to be taken seriously, say it in the Queen’s English. Dawkins and Hitchens would have gone nowhere in American pop-culture with any other inflection.
These kernals of disinformation are disseminated from the Structures of Power and carried back to the hive mind ant-poison style.
Very effective,Decon is %99.9 wholesome corn kernals.Very tasty.Very deadly.
Freebird, hope this helps:
2 Corinthians 5:21:
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Habakkuk 1:13:
Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?
If Jesus was made to be sin, God could not look at him. Yes, Jesus was sinless, but at that moment, he was made to be sin. Therefore, God did forsake Jesus.
I think you’re reading extra into that.
Christ “took on” on sin in the role of intermediary,the sin did not “enter” him, he facilitates the forgiveness of sin,which was facilitated by the (being) human process.
This is why Christians pray in Christ’s name,he is the intercessor,not the transgressor.
Hope that helps ya brother.
Think of it this way.
(before the white throne)
You’re in court, you have a lawyer representing you.
He argues your case.
The judge says “guilty by default of nature”
Your lawyer says “Yes, but I’ve already paid the price and done the time for this man.”
Hope that helps ya brother.
The judge motions your lawyer to the bench.
“Son,do you realize these people blamed your for Their Sin,and killed your for it?
Are you sure you want me to let this man live?
“Father,I know,bit I have walked among them,and it is not easy being in the flesh body,we must forgive the spiritual sin.This man believes upon me,and the purity of the spiritual body and I’ve paid the price,talked the talk and walked the walk, and I petition this court for mercy.”
“Well done my good and faithful Son, your request is granted.”
“No man comes to the Father except by the Son.”
Once again,being sinless he has standing before Father as intermediary.
To deny that takes away his credentials and voids forgiveness.
The very basis of faith.
FB
Hence the utterance of “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”
We are God’s misfit children who continually seek to avoid being held to account for our sin,much like feminism.
Christ was set on his mission to allow a Vehicle To Forgiveness for the father.
This is part of the ideology behind the triumvirate,The Father as the holder of high Office of Judge,The Son as intercessor,and the Holy Spirit as being among us and OF us during our time in the flesh.
Glad to be of service,yours in Christ
FB
@cane caldo
I have never quite understood this thing about Americans and their alleged love for English accents – but perhaps it is the same thing that makes all Americans sound like film-stars.
I cannot therefore quite grasp what Americans saw in either the late Christopher Hitchens or former Professor (of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University) Richard Dawkins. What I did notice was the outpouring of grief on the death of Hitchens and being less than impressed by Hitchens I said exactly why in response to one of Welmer’s essays at The Spearhead. Doing so gained me copius red ticks and a lot of abusive responses (so I had better not repeat – or indeed say what I might about Dawkins – even if it be to the ears of Dalrock and his supporters). What I can say however is (for me) Hitchens and Dawkins are such obvious public school-boys (perhaps it takes one to know one, and thus to see through them, or beyond their rhetoric) – I should explain that in England, Public schools are private (i.e. fee paying) and usually involve the boys (or girls) boarding, during term (or as you say semester) – in other words they come from what are considered to be privileged backgrounds – and just so you get the point, they talk in a certain sort of way and exude a quiet confidence and authority, as does AngryHarry – so I am guessing he is one too, and I know that Jon Snow – the News Anchor from the MWM video – is one also.
I too am enjoying the new, improved, comprehensible GB4M.
One small disagreement, however, I would not recommend “translations penned before 1950” for a great many Great Books. For Plato, Aristotle and Xenophon, for instance, the very best and most accurate translations were done within the last generation. For Homer, it’s more complicted.
Opus, I hear ya on the American love for English accents. Their interest in British royalty is even more bizarre.
“I would not recommend “translations penned before 1950”
In the case of the Bible, I agree that the original KJKV or the NKJV is the way to go,for the reason that the most heavily researched and comprehensive concordances were written in reference to those versions,being referenced,translated,and transliterated from the original Hebrew and Greek via the Dead Sea Scrolls and other seminal documents.
This is why I can make my assertions with confidence.
For instance dorsey make a fine case by quoting 2 Corinthians 5:21,however, if a person was seriously curious as to the exact meaning of that passage one would consult Strong’s concordance upon key words for a thesaurus of sorts to expand the meaning,and there may also be footnotes regarding the context and meaning of those phrases in that particular verse.
Which could very well yield an enlightened view upon the interpretation.
(The very reason for the Decades of Work it took to write the thing)
For the serious scholar,this is the easy path to reading with comprehension.
I don’t have one before me to go over 2 Corinthians 5:21,but I’ve studied enough to get my doctrine correct.
This is also why Seminary takes years of study.
Pastors are supposed to know what their talking about from the root/source documents rather than parroting mistakes made by those predecessors.
W/o constantly going to the reference books there is no frame of reference back to the English.
This is why there was those fighting factions and denominations over history,each set of folks had their own ideas on how to interpret The Book.
It would be a daily,life-long study effort to attempt to understand and debate all the various permutations,this is why the middle path is easiest for the layman,to use someone elses lifetime of study,at most-to compare and contrast the differences between the concordances.However Strong’s stands the tallest in the field for strict and documented interpretations.
(That’s why it’s called the “exhaustive” concordance,it’s top to bottom vetted.
If I can find a Strong’s online (?)
I will have a look into 2 Corinthians 5:21 and see if I can lay the groundwork for better understanding.
Altho it is my opinion that I’ve covered it well already,however I do realize it is just that-opinion-until-it can be documented and verified.Anyone utilizing a Strong’s whom can make a case against my opinion, I would not only listen, but learn.
From -2 Corinthians 5 – Matthew Henry Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible-
” Christ knew no sin. He was made Sin; not a sinner, but Sin, a Sin-offering, a Sacrifice for sin. The end and design of all this was, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him, might be justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus.”
http://www.biblestudytools.com/2-corinthians/5-1-compare.html
Regarding Matthew 27:46-“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying , Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”
“Jesus uttered a complaint from ( Psalms 22:1 ) . Hereby he teaches of what use the word of God is to direct us in prayer, and recommends the use of Scripture expressions in prayer.”
http://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/27-1-compare.html
The verse from Habakkuk is a reference to a wicked man who refuses to see iniquity,which is out of context in regards to the subject at hand.Also to note I’ve documented there is no inequity to see here.
But if yall would enjoy the overall meaning,it’s here:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/habakkuk/1-1-compare.html
Well my friends, I do believe I’ve documented my viewpoints with serious scholars,to do more would require re-doing their life’s work by learning 3 or more languages,and cross referencing to the original scrolls.
Since I’m not going to work that hard,I rest my case.
Serious documented refutations are welcome,but I expect none.
Glad to be of service.
Yours in Christ
FB
Note:
The sayings of men attempt to make void the Word of God,ALWAYS do your own homework!
Every single verse,every time.
It gets quicker as one becomes used to the process.
Also,I could not be free to debate these points in a church,as the verse “Turning the other cheek” refers to being a guest in anothers ideological preaching place,and it is Bad Manners to spite your host.
This is not anyone’s personal home or platform that could take offense at having their doctrine questioned/examined,therefore it’s a service to the community,not an offense.
Hey alright!
Let’s enjoy some standards.
Faith of our Father
Written by Fredric Faber 1849
”
Faith of our fathers, living still,
In spite of dungeon, fire, and sword;
Oh, how our hearts beat high with joy
Whene’er we hear that glorious Word!
Refrain:
Faith of our fathers, holy faith!
We will be true to thee till death.
Faith of our fathers, we will strive
To win all nations unto thee;
And through the truth that comes from God,
We all shall then be truly free.
Faith of our fathers, we will love
Both friend and foe in all our strife;
And preach thee, too, as love knows how
By kindly words and virtuous life.”
Old Rugged Cross
Written by George Bernard 1913
”
On a hill far away stood an old rugged cross,
The emblem of suff’ring and shame;
And I love that old cross where the dearest and best
For a world of lost sinners was slain.
Refrain:
So I’ll cherish the old rugged cross,
Till my trophies at last I lay down;
I will cling to the old rugged cross,
And exchange it some day for a crown.
Oh, that old rugged cross, so despised by the world,
Has a wondrous attraction for me;
For the dear Lamb of God left His glory above
To bear it to dark Calvary.
In that old rugged cross, stained with blood so divine,
A wondrous beauty I see,
For ’twas on that old cross Jesus suffered and died,
To pardon and sanctify me.
To the old rugged cross I will ever be true;
Its shame and reproach gladly bear;
Then He’ll call me some day to my home far away,
Where His glory forever I’ll share.”
There is a REASON the old *standards* are not played today, they joyfully illustrate the fruits of proper doctrine.
““Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian.” -Herman Melville
Guess that depends on what you’re *sacrificing* for “Dinner.”
Galatians 1:6
“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7.Which is not another;but there are some that trouble you,and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”
@Red Pill 4 Ya!
Yes, Americans are very strange. 😉
Brits have a love/hate relationship with Royalty: so half the time we want to send them to the gallows (as in 1997) and then (as this week) we treat them as Superheros; and what is pricelessly funny is that men like Peter Maxwell Davies who were avowedly Republican in their youth (as the bad-boy of English Music), now, in old age as Master of The Queen’s Music is dedicating his 9th Symphony (new in August) to Her Majesty. The British Establishment always takes unto itself the Rebels of their youth, so you end up with such implausibilities as SIR Mick Jagger.
If I can relate my digression to the MWM videos, the point I think I am trying to make is that Class is more important than any supposed Feminism – thus although MWM make a very good point as to the invisibility of the male submarines, that is subsumed (where everyone knows they are men) beneath a very top-down society – let us not forget (given the present worshipping of Negros) that the Tram-girl Emma was sent off to prison, being separated from her child and this before any trial and just for expressing a view – and rather bravely if I may say so – at least no man would have dared say what she said in the circumstances – which is why there are no Tram-boys. She and the other Tram-girls (who curiously all look alike) discovered that (for once) the Pussy-Pass was not available for play.
Sexual orientation trumps race. Race trumps sex.
Emma West broke the entire back of the egalitarian camel. She broke the cardinal rule. It matters not her sex. It’s the Spanish Inquisition and any views that go against the so called ‘truth’ will be punished.
What she spoke was heresy!
@Feminist Hater
Only working class English women can do this, as witness the demolition by Chantelle (whose only known ideology was to lip-gloss) of George Galloway a man who ran rings round your Foreign Affairs Senate Committee (“I have met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Rumsfold – twice to be exact – but with this difference that I did not sell him any weapons”) and was and remains an unremovable thorn in the side of the British Establishment, or somewhat further back the late great Mandy Rice-Davies, destroying Counsel for the Crown and his entire case when in response to his suggestion that she was lieing about her ‘relationship’ [she was a prostitute] with Lord Astor, she uttered the immortal and unanswerable, “He would say that, wouldn’t he” – again come to think of it, this all rests on class, Galloway being a solid middle-class Scot and Astor a member of the Aristocracy attempting through his Counsel to brow-beat the ‘common-as-muck’ but cute Rice-Davies, and finding the tables turned – effortlessly.
Other British scandals, such as Lord Archer with the call-girl with the decrepid Judge Caulfield who had fallen in love with Archer’s wife and encouraging the jury rhetorically with his summation of the uber-bitch Mary Archer (from whom Jeffrey Archer was at that time largely living apart) “Does she not have fragrance?” – he had obviously been over-dosing on very strong blue pills, – and as one female counsel once said to me [I hadn’t appeared before Caulfield] ‘he is an old dear’ or Jonathan Aitken whilst Chief Secretary to the Treasury, threatening to use the ‘sword of truth’ before being found guilty of perjury for he had indeed been pimping for the Arabs [I’m not making any of this up] follow the same dynamic.
Opus I would actually normally agree, Class determines stature and the ability to avoid pitfalls that befall commoners, especially in England with the Aristocracy. However, in the case of criticising the Multicult, I wonder how much Class really comes into it. Would the thought police allow the Queen to speak out against the rampant immigration into the British Isles or would they simply tar the Royal family as the last vestiges of a dying Empire and thus racist, useless and deserving of scorn and ill treatment?
Guess what I’m trying to say is that Emma West was not protected by being a women in any real sense, namely because she criticised the holy grail of today’s society.
But in sexual scandal cases I could well see women coming out on top, well above the stature of the Class they were born into.
@Feminst Hater
You being a feminst hater, I would not expect you to deduce other than you do at 10.38am and you may of course be correct, but the Tram-girls discovered that their pussy-pass did not work; Archer’s whore the late Monica Coghlan did not do well out of it (if I recall) and died in an unexplained road accident in Ireland (very strange) and as for Rice Davies and Keeler (Rice-Davies prostitute friend – her of the iconic photo) she turned into a bag lady – oddly enough (apart from meeting as I once did the son or maybe grandson of Lord Astor) I once or twice (professionally met) Keeler’s son and I thought him a very common and nasty piece of work. I have lost track of Chantelle, but I presume a return to obscurity will be her course, whereas as you see the Astors go on, Archer goes on (yet another best-seller) and so far, so has George Galoway once again M.P. and for some predominately Muslim constituency. Aitken conveniently discovered Jesus whilst in prison (as you do) and like Profumo (also involved with Keeler and Rice-Davies) is rehabilitating himself through religiously motivated charity work. Funny that he had previously written a biography of Richard Nixon.
“Yes, Americans are very strange. 😉
Brits have a love/hate relationship with Royalty: so half the time we want to send them to the gallows (as in 1997) and then (as this week) we treat them as Superheros; and what is pricelessly funny is that men like Peter Maxwell Davies who were avowedly Republican in their youth (as the bad-boy of English Music), now, in old age as Master of The Queen’s Music is dedicating his 9th Symphony (new in August) to Her Majesty. The British Establishment always takes unto itself the Rebels of their youth, so you end up with such implausibilities as SIR Mick Jagger.”
That may be, but why on earth do Americans take interest in British royalty? Doesn’t make sense.
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This is the reason why people on Quora (Q&A site) , many who are quite wealthy or work for the state are against voting up answer that reveals the truth about feminism and rights of men.
Gwiz they got blocked again