Somewhere in the world a woman is upset! What are you as lazy men doing to fix this?
Sorry for being so harsh, but you men need to hear this. I know I do. For example, just the other day I was reading about a woman in London who was victimized by modern men’s useless laziness. The article was titled Is there a man left under 40 who isn’t a rude, ignorant pig? I don’t know about you but the title alone really hit home. Now that I think about it, I really am a rude ignorant pig! Why didn’t I even notice? The author of the article is an incredible woman. She is as sassy, strong, and independent as they come; yet even she finds that men are letting her down.
Some time back she was doing her own strong and independent thing (I’m guessing on her way to a power meeting or preparing to write another article decrying traditional gender roles in marriage), when out of the blue her car thingy stopped working; I think she said it was the doohickey or something. Anyway, here she is, a strong independent woman, but this car thingy has made her upset!
They could see my distress when I began peering under the bonnet.
Some of you men (I hate to use the term so loosely) need a remedial lesson in chivalry, so for those who need it spelled out a woman becoming upset is the universal signal that you need to swing into action right away. Don’t feel too bad if you didn’t know this, because there were men right there on the scene who either didn’t know or shirked their obligation:
Next to me was a building site full of men in fluoro jackets standing doing nothing.
I shouldn’t have to reiterate that she was upset while these men in flouro jackets were doing nothing. This baffling inaction by London’s men left our heroine to take extreme measures, as she was reduced to calling for professional assistance:
I got back in the car, and on my mobile phone to call the BMW breakdown service to get the vehicle recovered. I was in tears. Still no one bothered to help.
Thats right, she was in tears, yet those shameful men left her to the fate of calling BMW for service! At one point in her incredible ordeal it looked like modern manhood was about to at least partially redeem itself, because one man approached the passenger side window to check on her. Again, most men reading already know this, but the first rule of assisting strong and independent women is you must take great risks rather than cause her the slightest inconvenience. While approaching on the passenger side is the safest way to handle this, what he thoughtlessly didn’t consider was all of the trouble this would cause her in rolling down the passenger side window:
In the midst of all this, a parking warden knocked on my passenger window. I wound it down. ‘I can’t hear you,’ I said. ‘Why didn’t you knock on the driver’s window?’
Do you know what he said? ‘To do that I would have to stand in the road and I might get run over.’
I can’t put it any better than the strong independent woman herself:
Young working British men: you should be ashamed.
This being the manosphere I already know what my readers are thinking:
That was the UK. Most of us in the manosphere are in the US, and we would never suffer to allow a woman in our presence to become upset!
The fact is it is all too easy to blame it on the other guy, so my next story of lazy thoughtless modern men is from Rachel commenting on Sheila Gregoire’s blog. After explaining that lifeboats should be reserved for women because their lives are more valuable than men’s lives, Rachel recounted a gut wrenching story of a man who didn’t know his place:
I was sharing an elevator with a man about my age. When the elevator stopped, I automatically started to get off and he almost ran into me! I am so used to men letting me get off the elevator first, it hadn’t occurred to me that he wouldn’t. Once I righted myself, I got thinking about it and why would he let me off first? I am his equal.
This got her thinking about us men and how she can best make use of the fact that while she is our equal, our lives are worth less than her life:
I started to think if there was a scientific reason, and I could not come up with one. In fact, I thought maybe the man should go first to let him see if it’s safe…
I have to admit that for a bit this really made it hard for me to know when I can get off an elevator. But now I make it a point to rush out and check each floor first for danger whenever a high powered career woman pushes the button to get off. When I do this I can tell I’ve shamed the other men in the elevator, because they almost always look down and try to suppress a nervous laugh of embarrassment at their own worthlessness. Sure, this can make for an awkward moment when I get back on the elevator, but I’d rather do the right thing than spare these worthless men’s feelings.
Rachel has also helped me understand under what circumstances a less valuable person like myself (and the men reading) should be allowed to enter a lifeboat on a sinking ship:
The thought process led to thinking about the “women and children first” policy and I do still think that applies, unless the child who is getting on the life boat is only accompanied by his/her father. I think then the dad should be able to get on the life boat with his child(ren).
I don’t want to do too much dressing down in one day, so I’ll close with just one more example where able bodied men allowed a woman to become upset. This woman carried her computer in to a shop at the local mall to have it fixed, and then changed her mind and carried it back to her car. Along the way she became visibly upset, yet no men intervened and insisted on carrying her computer for her:
I don’t know how much it weighs, but by the time I got all the way back to my car I was nearly in tears because it was SO heavy and I was SO frustrated. And here’s my point: I cannot even tell you how many able-bodied young men I passed while I was carrying something that was OBVIOUSLY too heavy for me.
Remember men, we exist to prevent the women of the world from becoming upset. Fortunately this woman is a mother and will raise her sons right:
When I finally got to my car I called my husband and told him that my boys will NEVER pass someone who needs help and not offer to help them. I was so disgusted that not one single man offered to help me! So so so sad. I can’t influence any of the men who passed me by, but I can certainly influence the 3 young men God has entrusted to my care and if I have ANYTHING to do with it, they WILL put women and children first!!!
Sure, there are three good men on the way, but don’t sit around waiting for them to arrive. In the meantime, there are women who are upset. All of us have a responsibility here. Don’t wait for them to be in tears; spot the potential events which could make women you don’t know upset, and take preventative action. If we all pitch in we can make this right together. The women of the world have waited long enough. Don’t keep them waiting any longer.
Are you sure these weren’t Onion articles? I mean, they sound like such obvious parodies, it’s hard to believe these women didn’t realize what they were writing. Maybe I underestimate the maximum possible strength of a hamster.
how can this bullshit hit the mainstream?
While standing on a corner in Anchorage Alaska and I watched a well dressed woman walk out of a building onto the very slick sidewalk, in her very high spiked heels. Water on ice.
Oliver sudden, down she went in the most awkward fall one can imagine, landing hard on her elbows, jamming her shoulders, and even smacking the back of her head on the concrete.
There was no one around to help her, and she slowly got to her hands and knees, and staggered off to wherever she was going, grimacing and trying to hold all of the places that hurt, leaving a few items laying there.
The light turned, and I continued on to my court hearing, where a bulldyke judge was to rule over my child support and child custody case.
Sometimes we just aren’t in the mood to try to help every unprepared dumb bitch.
Dalrock, I must ask for your expertise.
What is the correct response when women expect you to do X for them, but one particular woman expects to be treated special and thus insists action X ought to be reserved for her alone? How can a man make himself worthy of a special goddess while still avoid being a worthless manboypig to the princesses as a whole?
@Cail Corishev
I know what you mean; I didn’t believe it either. But all of these are real stories of women becoming upset and men doing nothing.
@Alexander
Great question. You know, we would know how to handle these conflicting demands if we weren’t so worthless. It really is embarrassing.
Alexander, as long as you care as not being seen as a manboypig, they are going to use it on you, to get you do stuff. It doesnt matter if you’re doing all they want you to do, it actually makes it worse. As soon as you probe that you care about the label, that’s going to be the label every time they want to manipulate you into something.
Not being a manboypig is not your reward, it’s your carrot. Forget about it, stop caring.
“How can a man make himself worthy of a special goddess” – wrong frame, there’s no such thing as a special goddess. If you’re a man of worth you’ll have multiple women trying to measure up to you. Any special goddess telling you you are a manpig for not doing what she wishes needs to be kicked out of the pedestal. Go somewhere else.
Why, why, why, i am so upset! And I’m a guy! My car broke down after i bought a vacuum cleaner and i had to wheel it home behind me for a mile on the sidewalk and not one woman stopped and offered me a ride! And I had to wheel it across the street too! And then I had to walk back and figure out why my car wouldn’t start (bad battery) so I had to carry the battery about four blocks to buy a new one and not one woman offered me a ride even though I was staggering with this horribly heavy battery in my arms! i was so upset I was almost in tears! And then I walked back with the new battery -still no offer of a ride! Thank God I can take care of myself considering how unchivalrous these modern women are! Ptooey on them!
why would he let me off first? I am his equal.
If they are equal, they should disembark at the same time, since neither has greater claim to exit-ance. Blame the fascist elevator companies for not making the doors wide enough for all passengers to step off equally. And why do the people in the back have to get off last? Unfair.
I got back in the car, and on my mobile phone to call the BMW breakdown service to get the vehicle recovered. I was in tears. Still no one bothered to help.
Oh … the … humanity. The way women are just so horribly treated! I mean, all this poor woman had was a BMW and a cell phone, probably earned with her degree and high-paying employment. If it had been a man, why those others guys would have just rushed to his aid instead of assuming the man was capable of solving the problem himself and asking for help if he needed it. Bastards.
… but I can certainly influence the 3 young men God has entrusted to my care and if I have ANYTHING to do with it, they WILL put women and children first!!!
Ah, the irony. In those prehistorical, primitive epochs of human history,(about fifty years ago, maybe), men used to put women and children in chains and abandon them on street. Before modern women, there was no such thing as families. Just wandering tribes of savage apes.
Somewhere in the world a woman is upset! What are you as lazy men doing to fix this?
I told her to cheer up. She was so distraught that I had to repeat it, but then she started smiling.
http://www.cheshirecatstudios.com/forum/resources/domestic-violence-demotivational-poster/thumb/68
[Note for the excessively literal minded – humor, ar, ar.]
I thought Dalrock was joking when he said there were men who didn’t realize a Woman’s natural beauty and nobility, but now I see YOHAMI. Shame! Shame! Repent!
ahhh, poor strong empowered woman needs a man to make a phone call for her. Men, we all really suck not to stop everything and help such a grateful, delicate, flower.
The Mark Steyn of the Manosphere, I tell you.
“How can a man make himself worthy of a special goddess while still avoid being a worthless manboypig to the princesses as a whole?”
Stop doing whatever they ask. Reserve it for those you know deserve it. Close relatives and family friends only.
Example. Some half dressed princess on public transport wanted a pen. Every man she asked turned her down. First woman she asked, obliged.
I turned her down and was off at the next stop. Lovingly fingering my treasured pen.
Speaking as a Brit, I can only ask two questions here. When did telepathy become a person requirement for men, and why, when they ticket vehicles which are unable to move because the road has collapsed under them, did the traffic warden not ticket this woman for being stopped where she should not have been stopped?
I think I know why nobody helped her. She was in a BMW. In the UK they are a byword for the car with the selfish driver who acts like he or she does own all of the road, and have been known as inverted porcupines in some circles.
You really channelled your inner Mark Driscoll for this one…
If that’s what it takes to earn her respect, I’ll just have to live without it.
It’ll be tough, but I’ll try to manage somehow.
🙂
what is weird is that at no point did she stop to consider that if she can’t carry a computer, and breaks down into tears when she has to anyway…
just how very, very, very useless she is as a human.
she doesn’t even have the competency to simply ask for help, rather, she refuses to speak up and then gets all pissed when she doesn’t get what she wanted. I mean, even spoiled 4 yr olds have the sense to voice their demands.
But it would seem that she actually preferred this outcome, to give her the material for a good rant that aligns with how she already feels. She also didn’t have enough sense to know that construction workers are typically going to know nothing about BMW repair, nor will they have the proper tools. Those men, however, see the rich BMW girl and know damn well she has someone she can call for professional high-level service, making them further obsolete. Their ignoring her was common sense, not a lack of chivalry. She wasn’t in any danger, for goodness sakes. I guess the rant was more important than thinking things through for a moment and getting a clue.
Her sons are doomed to slavery.
They won’t be hated for their lack of chivalry, but they will be hated by the women they desire, and then robbed by them in every possible way.
Nice job, mom. You’ll ruin your sons, but at least there will be more women getting the supplication they desire and then punish.
I knew I read that first article some years ago. Glad they arent quite at the point pf republishing old article as new.
Let them eat cake.
Dalrock,
WRT Rachel on the elevator, whoever is CLOSEST to the door gets off first! If a man is closer to the door, he exits first; if a woman is closer, then she goes first. That’s from Emily Post, the expert on all things etiquette, BTW…
MarkyMark
Somewhere there needs to be a parallel womanosphere blog. In the book by Alice von Hildebrand, “By Love Refined”, she recounts a similar story where a young woman had a flat and was unable to change the tire. No one stopped until she put up a sign saying “I am not a feminist”.
You want help, start by appearing weak and helpless. That isn’t sufficient, but it’s a start. It’s the mirror of a man going alpha. Most women today can’t even do it properly – though the attempts tend to be very entertaining, better than anything on comedy central. They have to be assertive, even aggressive, in control, independent. And then when something comes along they can’t handle, and the men aren’t running to help, they go into tears.
The reaction of most to someone full of themselves experiencing being taken down a few notches is laughter and enjoyment. And that is the right attitude. It is even more enjoyable when they think the entire world must run to their aid because they are in trouble.
The chivalrous thing to do is to see if there is a source of popcorn available.
“Do you know what he said? ‘To do that I would have to stand in the road and I might get run over.’
…
Young working British men: you should be ashamed.”
God, this is really beyond parody. How does this drivel ever get published?
Pure gold………..
Why any men consider dating & marriage is a wonder anymore.
We would all be better spending our money on hookers. At least you get to haggle the price out in advance.
By the way……..you aren’t paying her for sex, you are paying her to leave afterwards.
@MarkyMark
Good point. This is why after I’ve checked the floor for danger I make it a point to get back behind the woman who pushed the button. This way I don’t put myself in the thoughtless position of going first.
This stuff really is simple if men would only pay attention to it and think it through.
I have long used the phrase, “we equal or are we not?” It is ususally followed by “then, you don’t tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go.”
Besides, you ever looked under the hood of a BMW? Those Bavarians had some unusual ideas about how a motor should work. There is a reason they have their own mechanics and shops. Those workers probably thought that if her husband was dumb enough to buy one of those, HE could come help her.
This way I don’t put myself in the thoughtless position of going first.
How is it thoughtless to leave the elevator first if you, a man, are closest to the door? How is it thoughtless when the BIBLE on etiquette tells you this is so?! BTW, do you know WHY the person closest to the door exits first? Because that’s the quickest, easiest way to clear the elevator; otherwise, you’ll have pushing, shoving, and needless jostling as men move out of the way to let women exit first…
I saw the first article from the “Daily Mail” when it came out in 2010, and it generated a lot of comments from all sides. A lot of the comments were from women lamenting the dearth of chivalrous men in Britain. Since this is the inevitable result of feminism, I’m not sure what women expected when they started the feminist movement.
Okay: that’s not entirely true – I know exactly what they expected. They expected that men would retain the duties they had under the sexual Ancien Régime while women abandoned theirs. To borrow from old U.S. sitcoms – they thought they could bang the “Fonz” through their twenties until they wanted kids, then marry Ward Cleaver and play the happy housewife thereafter. Critical to that fairy tale was the idea that there would always be plenty of Ward Cleavers willing to wife-up the “Fonz’s” sloppy seconds.
It didn’t work out that way. When “the Fonz” gets all the action and “Ward” gets the bills and conditional use of a well-worn Vaj, most guys decided to be the “Fonz.”
If that was only happening in the wider culture it would be bad enough, but the second article (where you quote “Rachel”) is about the church. Deti did an excellent job of pointing things out that the blog owner seems curiously oblivious to, and seems to have made some headway.
The fact is – a great number of Churchian women are no more marriageable than their secular counterparts. They worst thing a woman can do to reduce her value for marriage is sleep around. Nothing else comes close. Yet most churches turn a blind eye to the destructive dating-and-mating habits of unmarried women in the congregation. As the blog owner said, churches DO talk about it – but as Deti pointed out in response, they do not enforce it.
@Dalrock
This stuff really is simple if men would only pay attention to it and think it through.
Having a portable hamster wheel app for your mandroid helps, too.
even if one of the men had tried to help her, what the hell could he have done for her anyways? it’s not like he could just whip out his magic man auto kit and fix her power steering on the spot. women like this always assume men are these magic creatures who can fix anything at her bidding.
Wow. Women continue to find new lows. It’s one thing that there are competing groups of women, with some claiming equality and others expecting chivalry, but it’s particularly ridiculous when the same woman expects both treatments. Articles like this really add evidence to support the conclusion that women are completely mentally incompetent and should not be treated as adults. The utter lack of reason and understanding is truly impressive.
I found it particularly entertaining that in her story of car woe, she had to point out that it was a BMW. Completely irrelevant, but she had to make sure we all knew that.
Also, I must wonder where she got her car diagnostics from. Am I misreading? “I drove out of a car park in Kensington, London, to find the power-steering on my BMW had gone. The car wouldn’t move.”
The power steering was gone, and so the car didn’t move? Is this a special feature in a BMW? Because I’ve never seen power steering hooked up to the engine. It may not turn well if the power steering goes, but not move? I admit to not knowing much about cars, but I have spent a day driving around a truck with broken power steering. Awkward and difficult, but it sure didn’t affect the running of the vehicle…
I read stuff like this and I don’t even know what to do with the privilege I have other than to thoroughly appreciate it while it lasts. My daughter and I had my husband’s truck and the tread on one of the tires blew off. I pulled over, got out and looked at it, got back in the truck and started calling my road side assistance. Within a minute, there was a cop behind me. I got my license out to show him but he didn’t look at it.
Cop: “let me take a look at the tire (walked to the back of the truck)….well, I could change it for you
Me: “no, no, you don’t have to do that, it’s 100 degrees out here, I can call the service.”
Cop: “well, I’m a bit concerned about the incline we’re on here and how that would work with the jack. Tell ya what, I’ll follow behind you, there’s a tire shop just up ahead, just drive real slow. That way you don’t have to wait on a tow truck.”
He followed me into the driveway of the tire shop, talked to one of the guys there and then went on his way. Of course I was very appreciative.
I just have such a different experience of men than these women do… I hate seeing the long term affects of their entitlement, but I completely understand it.
The article is very funny.
But on a serious side:
That is where this breaks down. I mentioned this on Zippy’s post and some of the women strongly protested, but I don’t generally need chivalry from random men because I have a husband and a father. If the woman in the original article weren’t such an unpleasant bitch, she might be able to have a man her life, too, and then she wouldn’t need to make a nuisance of herself to local construction workers.
Dalrock – This is why after I’ve checked the floor for danger I make it a point to get back behind the woman who pushed the button. This way I don’t put myself in the thoughtless position of going first.
It’s easier to just fire a few rounds through the door first once the elevator stops. You don’t have to appear to cut her off and then retreat, and you’ve cleared away any potential danger or insurance salesmen (but I repeat myself). No awkwardness here, that’s for sure.
[D: Great thinking!]
You know, I’m kind of curious. One of the little hallmarks of modern chivalry is for men to hold the door for women. This is still pretty common, I think. I always say “Thank you” when a man does this for me. I’m curious to know
a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
b. and if so, how do the women respond? Are they polite? Or do they act entitled/not say thank you?
I’m standing in my store right now, watching a guy (although his driving skills belie that) try to get his car moving in the several inches of snow we’ve gotten this afternoon. A few women have pulled up behind him — so he can’t back up now — and they’re gathering around and pushing on the car. The best part was when a couple of them actually tried to lift the front end of the car while he tried it in reverse. If they’d all get behind him and shove, and he’d stop gunning it, he’d probably be fine.
Ordinarily I’d go help, but it’s awfully warm in here….
Haha, this woman couldn’t steer without power steering, so she cried. lol, hit the gym weakling! lol
^^^ The only intelligent response I deem worthy of her article.
If they are equal, they should disembark at the same time, since neither has greater claim to exit-ance. Blame the fascist elevator companies for not making the doors wide enough for all passengers to step off equally. And why do the people in the back have to get off last? Unfair.
Agreed.
You know, now that you mention it, although I’ve never thought of this before, it must be that elevators are designed the way they are because MEN DESIGNED THEM! So hierarchical, forcing artificially these decisions about hierarchy and gender at the door of the elevator due to cramping the space — how clever, how very clever of these oppressive patriarchal engineers! I mean, hell, they even call it an elevator *shaft!!!! How much more of a clue do you need?
Now in WOMEN designed elevators, they would run the entire length of a building’s floor, and be precisely one person deep, with doors that ran the entire length of the floor — much less of a shaft, and more like the opening fertile lips of mother earth, taking in and disgorging life, all in precisely equal and non-hierarchical portions, every step of the line, embracing the entire length of the building with her fertile and open embrace.
It’s a pity, isn’t it?
SSM, I live in a fairly traditional area, but I hold doors open for everyone. It’s courtesy and efficiency, not chivalry. If I’m approaching a door that pulls open and there’s someone behind me, I pull it open and step back for them to pass. If there’s a second set of doors, as there often are in public buildings, the first person through will often hold it open for me. It just works better to hold the door for someone who’s right behind you, rather than open it and step through, then they have to grab it before it closes, or they’re stepping on your heels trying to follow you through.
Most people say thanks. Can’t say I’ve ever noticed a difference between men and women on that.
Kai – ”I found it particularly entertaining that in her story of car woe, she had to point out that it was a BMW. Completely irrelevant, but she had to make sure we all knew that.”
And, don’t forget, she also had to make sure that we were made aware that she was in Kensington (the Royal Borough, as they say)…because, you know, she really is that special.
Way too special, in fact, to have to put in the extra effort that it would take to drive a car to a better location to park it without having the ease of power assisted steering (you’re quite right that a car is still very drivable even without).
What you guy’s are also failing to recognize is that whatever those workmen might have been doing, she correctly recognized that it was “nothing” in comparison to her immediate need.
Also, those ignorant cab drivers didn’t realize her true “specialness”. Why, even if she wasn’t experiencing any car trouble, they should realize that such special women are well within their God-given place in the social hierarchy [/jab_at_Zippy] to stop their BMW’s any place they please, regardless of how they will be affecting the flow of traffic.
And, even if she did look at those lowly workmen with her standard look of contempt, they should still have known to come running to find out how they could possibly have been of assistance. Certainly one of those outclassed men could have done his duty to stop his own work so as to act as her personal assistant by making the call and all arrangements for her.
I’m certain Jesse Powell would have reminded them of a woman’s right to their Chivalry. Perhaps Jesse would have pointed out to them that one of them could have given up his own vehicle for her to use. [Oops! My bad. None of those working-class types would have had a vehicle suitable for her BMW-driving, Kensington-gracing highness]
I don’t know if I should give out this secret but what the heck.
When I’m in need of help…I ask nicely for it. I don’t expect it to come because 1) I don’t have a vagina and 2) that’s the logical thing to do. Usually after I’ve been helped the words “Thank you” come out of my mouth.
Now I’m not a total brute (yet)…but when a woman asks nicely for my help and thanks me, I will help. If she’s struggling around and huffing because nobody has acknowledged her vagina…I’ll just watch and not offer anything.
she probably just had the damned emergency brake on the whole time…
The problem is the entitlement, the lack of gratitude, and the poor attitude. The woman in the article believes herself ENTITLED to help from a man, any man, every man, in the immediate and surrounding vicinity, solely and only because she is a woman who needs help, and because he is a man who happens to be there.
And because he is a man who happens to be there, he is REQUIRED to help her. He is REQUIRED to go out of his way, possibly put himself in harm’s way, possibly incur expense, to help her.
Because she is a woman. Because he is a man.
It is true that this was and is part of the Christian tradition. You help the widow and the orphan. Charity and protection to women , children, the elderly, the infirm, the weak, the powerless. The difference was that the people receiving the help were NOT ENTITLED to it. It was given as a matter of grace; and the assistance received with gratitude.
The other difference is that in years past, women did not uniformly portray themselves as strong and independent, and not needing help from men. But now, many women depict themselves as not needing any help from men….. until they need help. And when they need it, they are helpless damsels in distress, shrieking that men MUST help them because, after all, men are there, and the men can do it and should do it, and the women are smaller and weaker, and need protection from men.
And I also note that inevitably, and curiously, the men being demanded to help are the men these women would never, ever pay any attention to at all under other circumstances. It’s only when she needs the help that she is willing to pay attention.
It would be nice to believe that in Kensington all the Black Cab Drivers (named after the colour of the vehicle not the Driver) and the Traffic Wardens are Red Pill, but I fear Ms Jones is herself writing Parody. Allow me to fill you in in what she failed to say, and which is obvious to me, so that you can see the true misery the poor woman was in. The multi-storey car park she was coming out of is on the opposite side to the Mail’s offices in Young Street. You can thus, should you be minded, go to Google maps to see the exact locality of this terrible series of non-events. Knowing the area, indeed the car-park itself only too well (quite bizarely the top floor of the car-park is a suite of offices – hence my knowledge) I can confidently say she should have gone back into the Mail’s premises and asked for help, but oh no, she is obviously too grand for that. Her sub-text is surely: If I were younger and hotter then men under Forty would have stopped and helped me – it is noticable that the accompanying Photo is pointedly said to be posed by a Model who would surely have been offered assistance.
Women wanted the chivalry & respect old, learned wisened men naturally get
Men have an instinctive awe, & reverance & respect for old wise men in their communities
Men instinctively pull out chairs for old wise men, hold doors open for them, & stand in respect as they usher into a room
Just look at any 3rd world country for proof
Of course women want the same privilege of our older wise men
Chivalry is basic penis envy, in this case wisened wrinkly penis envy …
Of course this is what women do … scam older men, perform gut wrenching abortions on themselves & insist they cry over their hot coco & their pathetic wrinkled penis envy …
Women know the biological reverence & awe men have for the wise learned grandfather
Seriously what woman has the same respect & integrity of a seasoned grizzled grandfather?
@sunshinemary 4:21
I generally hold doors for women. Many say thank you. Some ill-bred ones say nothing, presuming it’s for me to do for them by right. The worst are those whose say “excuse me,” as if you are in their way. That happens more than you would believe.
deti,
Yeah, you can imagine what would happen if she were walking by, and one of these workmen pointed to his crotch and called out, “Hey, babe, I have a need; can you come help me out here?”
My daughter, who is 19 yo, will not go first into a room or building or out of the elevator. Precisely because of the uncertianty she feels about what may lie ahead of her in wait. She will require her male companion(s) to do that for her and search the area for any risk or danger prior to her entering the area. She also refuses to actually speak to people behind counters who wait there to assist her. She requires that her male companions do that on her behalf. Her mother and I have not trained her to do this. This came about on her own volition.
Seems like a lot of fish are finding themselves in need of bicycles.
Privilege hides itself from those who possess it. It was obvious to any man that this would be the outcome of feminism. As a man, I can’t even imagine a world where I could expect to get free automobile care from total strangers without even asking for it. Or why anyone who lived in such a world would want to change it.
ssm: In this part of California people generally don’t hold doors for others to pass through, though those who are more considerate will hold the door open behind them so that the person behind them can receive the handle. I don’t act as a doorman for women I don’t know; when I do hold the door open behind me, I would say most people say thank you but there are some who don’t.
Novaseeker – Now in WOMEN designed elevators, they would run the entire length of a building’s floor, and be precisely one person deep, with doors that ran the entire length of the floor — much less of a shaft, and more like the opening fertile lips of mother earth, taking in and disgorging life, all in precisely equal and non-hierarchical portions, every step of the line, embracing the entire length of the building with her fertile and open embrace.
This is a good start, but you’re still being held back by your male-privileged, shaft-centric elevatory worldview. Building should be constructed circularly, with the ElevateHer warmly snuggling around the entirety of the structure in it’s Feminine embrace. The sales pitch would open with “Raise people and consciousnesses at the same time!”
And they should all be pink.
she probably just had the damned emergency brake on the whole time…
Oooohweeeee! Did I ever laugh!
Cail:
“Yeah, you can imagine what would happen if she were walking by, and one of these workmen pointed to his crotch and called out, “Hey, babe, I have a need; can you come help me out here?””
This is exactly the complaint many feminists and women in general have of men: That they believe they are entitled to sex from any available female. Change a few words around in my couple of paragraphs, and you get:
The problem is the entitlement, the lack of gratitude, and the poor attitude. The man believes himself ENTITLED to sex from a woman, any woman, every woman, in the immediate and surrounding vicinity, solely and only because he is a man who needs sex, and because she is a woman who happens to be there.
And because she is a woman who happens to be there, she is REQUIRED to sleep with him. She is REQUIRED to suffer indignity and repulsion, possibly take a hit to her reputation, possibly get raped or beaten or abused, to sleep with him.
Because he is a man who wants/needs sex; and she is a woman who happens to be there.
LOL, very nice, NSR.
“a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
b. and if so, how do the women respond? Are they polite? Or do they act entitled/not say thank you?”
I hold the door open for everyone from time to time,it depends on how much of a hurry I am in and how generous I feel on that day,and the disposition of the person.I’ll hold the door open for a person in a wheelchair just about every time. It’s not a condescending thing. If the wheelchair-bound individual is managing by himself,I’ll leave him to his business. But I figure somebody who’s crippled needs the courtesy if anyone does.
I notice that 90% of the time, while women are not outright rude,they completely take this act for granted. While a man will always look you in the eye and probably acknowledge the courtesy with a tip of the head or the hat, the women pay you no more mind than an automatic door opener. From the look on their faces, I surmise that the act instantly lowers your SMV by a few points,making you sexually,and thus functionally,invisible to any woman who witnesses a man opening doors for people who isn’t paid to do so.
Even being aware of the dynamic at play, I never let consideration for it turn me from something I have made up my mind to do. I dole out courtesy when and to whom I choose,and to be perfectly honest, none of the women ignoring me are very appealing to me either. I’m perfectly willing to let Justin Bieber or some other androgynous popinjay have all the whale pussy he can stand.
This is a good start, but you’re still being held back by your male-privileged, shaft-centric elevatory worldview. Building should be constructed circularly, with the ElevateHer warmly snuggling around the entirety of the structure in it’s Feminine embrace. The sales pitch would open with “Raise people and consciousnesses at the same time!”
And they should all be pink.
These are all good points.
I’d say further that the whole idea of the need for elevators is a reflection of pathological “masculinity” created by the patriarchy to oppress men and women alike. In a woman-designed building, there would be no need for floors (men only designed them this way because they love hierarchy and wanted to build things that resemble their penises, pathetic creatures that they are), just concentric, equally-leveled, equally-spaced, radiating circles from a primal, feminine, center, radiating outward, life, energy, fertility and growth, in pastel greens and pinks — warm pastel greens and pinks — and all rounded surfaces, to avoid conflict, even in architectural terms. Workers would use rounded corridors to reach their destinations, walking through many spaces on their way, to energize their connection with the collective consciousness and common feeling of life and energy emanating from the center. Yes — elevators are evil. Elevators are hierarchy! Elevators are the Patriarchy! Down with elevators! Death to elevators, sisters (and ally brothers)! Mag-bar-elevator!!
Building done by women would be rocks with abertures on them, like vaginas. Humid and dark and with plenty of stuff to complain about. There wouldnt be a need for elevators. The boss women would sleep near the fire, and sluts and unwanted (probably the more attractive ones) would be forced to slavery and sleep in the forest.
Novaseeker and nightskyradio, please, stop! I’m in the office and people are looking at me because I am LOLing.
Thank you for some good laugh.
Yohami – Just because that conclusion is logically, irrefutably, entropically inevitable doesn’t mean you have to hurt feelings by drawing it. Don’t h8!
Primer says:
“it’s not like he could just whip out his magic man auto kit and fix her power steering on the spot.”
That’s a good point. I wonder what exactly she did expect. Perhaps, in the vein of most women’s expectations, she didn’t actually expect anyone to help in any way – the guys should have simply come to comfort her and listen to her complain about her misfortune regardless of its fixability.
Cail Corishev says:
“I’m standing in my store right now, watching a guy (although his driving skills belie that) try to get his car moving in the several inches of snow we’ve gotten this afternoon… ”
I work in the Canadian Rockies, and spend a lot of time driving roads that are icy or under a foot of snow. I am amazed at the number of people who have no idea how to drive in the winter, let alone how to extract themselves when they do end up spinning in a parking lot, or slid into a snowdrift or whatnot. And plenty of them are men (since there are more men than women in the mountains in the first place). People in general don’t seem to have that basic skill these days (not that I can tell you they ever did) and your guy driver unfortunately doesn’t surprise me.
slwerner says:
“Kai – ”I found it particularly entertaining that in her story of car woe, she had to point out that it was a BMW. Completely irrelevant, but she had to make sure we all knew that.”
And, don’t forget, she also had to make sure that we were made aware that she was in Kensington (the Royal Borough, as they say)…because, you know, she really is that special.
Way too special, in fact, to have to put in the extra effort that it would take to drive a car to a better location to park it without having the ease of power assisted steering (you’re quite right that a car is still very drivable even without).”
Ha! I’ve never been to England and rather lack culture, so I missed that part, but nice addition. She deserved special treatment because she was a woman, and especially a woman driving a BMW in a swanky area..
I thought I must be missing something with the way she said the car wouldn’t move, since loss of power steering simply doesn’t do that.
sunshinemary says:
“You know, I’m kind of curious. One of the little hallmarks of modern chivalry is for men to hold the door for women. This is still pretty common, I think. I always say “Thank you” when a man does this for me. I’m curious to know
a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
b. and if so, how do the women respond? Are they polite? Or do they act entitled/not say thank you?”
Personally, I believe that chivalry only makes sense within a broader construct of a society in which men and women have defined roles, and there is enough social cohesion that there’s a reason for all men to do something or other for all women. We don’t live there, and I see no value in chivalry today. Women wanted to be equal to men, now they can start being so.
But I don’t understand the whole door thing anyways.
To me, the logical thing to do is to move through doors efficiently. Therefore, I hold the door behind me, or give it a push for the next person to catch it. If someone’s entering ahead of me, i put my hand forward to catch it so they can move on.
If I see someone who looks like they might have some trouble with the door (old, pregnant, wrangling children, carrying things, etc.), I may step ahead and open and hold the door for them.
If someone holds the door for me, they get a thanks, or at least the ‘eye contact / nod’ which is understood around my parts to fulfill that role in appropriate situations.
I see no reason to bring sex into something so meaningless, and if men all over tried to specially open and hold doors for women while women waited for doors to open around them, the general flow of people would be far less efficient.
“a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
b. and if so, how do the women respond? Are they polite? Or do they act entitled/not say thank you?”
A. Not for women specifically, but for anyone who happens to be behind me as I enter/exit a building.
B. Most people are polite. Though young adults, especially young women, tend to be much less likely to say “thanks” than either kids or older people.
MPK says:
“My daughter, who is 19 yo, will not go first into a room or building or out of the elevator. Precisely because of the uncertianty she feels about what may lie ahead of her in wait. ….”
I really can’t tell if this is earnest or parody..
SSM,
I don’t have a hard-and-fast rule about doors because it varies by situation. I nearly always hold the door if someone is going through it about the same time I am. It’s just basic good manners to make the trivial effort to prevent a door from closing on someone who is obviously about to walk through it.
The three basic options are:
1) Hold the door and let the other person pass through first.
2) Walk through the door and hold/push the door so the it doesn’t close on the other person.
3) Wait for the other person to go through and then follow.
The one I pick will vary by the factors present, such as:
Am I with the other person or not?
Does the door swing toward me or away from me?
Is the person following me or converging from a different angle?
If converging, will I get there first or at the same time as the other person?
If converging, are the hinges on my side or the other side?
Is the person on the same side of the door as me, or coming through the other way?
Does the person fall into an “assume I should take special care” category: such as encumbered or elderly?
Is it a party of people or a single person?
Is going through the door part of a queue?
Is it a situation where holding the door would be awkward?
I’m sure I could come up with more, but you get the idea. Usually people are nice about it, but then again I live in the Central Plains. I’m also very clean-cut and prematurely gray, so I look respectable and older than I really am (although for years I’ve had a tendency to dress like a ragamuffin when not in uniform).
SSM, I live in Eugene, Oregon and life is like Cail describes. Everyone holds doors for everyone. Most people say or nod thanks. With two sets of doors (common here because of cold weather in Winter) the next person passing holds the subsequent door for everyone. I have not noticed any difference of men or women saying thanks.
Novaseeker – Getting there, but your unequalist mindset is still sticking out like a tool of the Partiarchy. [Ba-dum!] Walking is unequal, since people all have different walking speeds. The rounded corridors would have moving floors, allowing all womyn to arrive at their desired locations equally as fast as any man (who would be required to ride said Evulvators instead of walking on their own).
I think we’ve stretched this one past the breaking point now.
actually, I think we’re missing the point, why “go” to a “building” and “work”?. who cares about that? all they need is a delivery service.
why go to a destination when you can demand that the destination comes to you.
Welcome to equality, bitch.
In some neighbourhoods, bmw means break my windows.
Back in the day when I did such things, the most common response to me holding a door open for a woman was to be ignored. No smile, no head nod, no ” thank you”. They would not acknowledge my actions but sure as hell walk through an open door.
Was walking to work this morning. Some pretty young thing goes to cross my path. Ordinarily i would act as though about to shoulder charge then veer off at the last minute if they do not. But noticed she was limping with a bandaged foot and intentionally made space for her.
There is room for civility. But most modern warpigs dont even deserve that.
Deti said
And because he is a man who happens to be there, he is REQUIRED to help her. He is REQUIRED to go out of his way, possibly put himself in harm’s way, possibly incur expense, to help her.
They emotionally abused her and she also could have been raped because they would not help. They need to pass a law and send bastards like that to prison. If you do not agree you hate women.
Real life police report about a man wanted for approaching & walking in the opposite direction of a woman …
This is why you don’t help batshit crazy modern day women ….
Taken from the mgtow forums
UCONN Police Reporting a Suspicious Occurrence and Safety Alert:
On 2/7/09 at approximately 6:35 PM a suspicious incident occurred at Hilltop Apartments, in the parking lot between the Beard and French buildings. A male approached a female from the opposite direction and came up within several feet of her personal space. The female turned around and left the area. The male walked away in the opposite direction. The male did not say anything or make physical contact with the female. The intention of the male is unknown. Description as follows: a white male 6’ 0†with shoulder length brown hair wearing a red or brown cloth jacket and jeans. Male described as older than college age. The male had a round face and large build.
If you have any information or witnessed the incident please call the UConn Police at 486-4800. As always, you are encouraged to travel in groups at night and in well lit areas. Please notify police of any suspicious activity immediately.
http://unknownmisandry.blogspot.com/2011/07/visionary-misandrist-sarah-hunt-1909.html
Maybe these modern “empowered” man haters who view men for their utility should be more like the man haters of old who at least, did not pretend to like men just to use them:
Sarah Hunt 1909
” In her dealings with the outside world Mrs. Hunt never speaks to a man nor does she look at one. When she goes to the country store two miles away she has her business all reduced to writing, so that, in case the wife of the storekeeper is not there to wait on her, there need be no occasion to talk with the grocer or his clerk. She seldom, however, leaves her domicile. Most of her business is transacted through the wife or daughter of a neighbor. She has not visited the county seat in fifteen years, and has never been on a railroad train. Ten years ago, when she was stricken with typhoid fever, neighbor women tried to induce her to call a physician.
“If you find a woman doctor, it’s all right,” she said. “If not, I’ll die rather than have one here.”
No woman doctor could be secured, and Mrs. Hunt was nursed through her long illness without a physician.
The woman’s strange attitude toward men and things male was first manifested twenty years ago. She has said that it came to her in a dream as a command from heaven. At that time she was still on good terms with her husband, two sons and a daughter. At the breakfast table one morning she told of the “command” from the Lord. She was laughed at by the family, but as the days passed she talked more and more of the “spirit injunction,” finally demanding that her husband and sons leave the place. After every means to disillusionize the woman had been tried in vain and life on the little farm became unbearable for the husband and the boys, they departed, obeying the command never to return. Soon afterward the daughter died, and is buried near the house. “
From the Unknown History of Misandry – Sarah Hunt 1909
” Six years ago the woman’s dilapidated old cabin caught fire from an overheated stovepipe. It was a bitterly cold February night and the blazing of the clapboard roof attracted the attention of the neighbors, who turned out eagerly, not only desiring to do Mrs. Hunt a neighborly turn, but also finding in the occasion an opportunity of testing the antipathy she had so long shown toward men. Rushing to the house with buckets and ladders, they set to work without heralding their coming. The recluse, who invariably retires for the night at sunset, was all unconscious that the roof over her head was a mass of flames.
“What devil in the form of a man is there?” was the first sound that came from within the cabin and the ladders crashed against the eaves.
“Your house is on fire, Mrs. Hunt, shouted back Frank Dockham, a neighbor. “You’ll be burning in hell if you don’t get put of this,” retorted the frenzied woman. “I’d rather roast in my bed than have any human devil of a man desecrate my place.”
But the men were on the roof, chopping away at the burning rafters. Others were passing pails of water. They heard the occupant unfasten hurriedly the heavy bars on the door, and in another instant it creaked on its hinges. Bang!” A rifle cracked and a leaden ball whizzed close to the head of Uncle George Cole, Mrs. Hunt’s nearest neighbor, who was wielding the ax. Hurriedly the volunteer firemen scrambled away as the enraged woman rammed another charge home in her old muzzle loader. They disappeared into the night and the recluse turned her attention to the fire, by that time nearly extinguished. The next morning passers-by read with avidity the following, scrawled, on a piece of paper flour sack and tacked on the front gate post of the Hunt dooryard:
This Here House is Old Sarah Hunts Ef It Burns Down Its Nobodys Bizness But Hern. So All You He Men Jest Keep Awa.
They have, since then.”
We should all keep away. Women can do it themselves. The servants are on strike!
Let’s help women!
“A heroic homeless man, stabbed after saving a Queens woman from a knife-wielding attacker, lay dying in a pool of blood for more than an hour as nearly 25 people indifferently strolled past him, a shocking surveillance video obtained by The Post reveals.
Some of the passers-by paused to stare at Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax last Sunday morning and others leaned down to look at his face.
He had jumped to the aid of a woman attacked on 144th Street at 88th Road in Jamaica at 5:40 a.m., was stabbed several times in the chest and collapsed as he chased his assailant.”
Sarah’s Daughter,
I could be wrong, but I generally found if you conduct yourself as a lady you’ll be treated as one. The cop being stand up and trained to observe probably saw from 100 yards out that you were an actual woman rather than a “woetomen,” if ya know what I izz sezzin. =D
This is like the joke I heard about wearing the uniform of a whore and claiming that ‘just because I dress like a whore,it does not mean I am one’.In the example cited the woman is literally saying ‘just because I appear strong and independent,it does not mean I really am’
It pays to be a hero:
“An Ohio man who tried to help a woman he saw being beaten in the line of the McDonald’s drive-thru may lose an eye today after police say he was beaten and attacked with a high-heel stiletto shoe.
Police in Dayton have released video of the attack to try to arrest the suspects in the case.
The video shows 35-year-old Anthony Milner being attacked by four women.
Milner tells police that he saw a woman being beaten in the car ahead of his and stepped out to try to intervene.
The female attackers then turned on him, beating him with closed fists, kicking and spitting on him before one woman took off her high heeled shoe and hit him in the face, gouging his eye.
Milner’s since had several surgeries but has permanent eye damage.”
Let me go all Opus-y on you for a sec… the last damsel in distress (sobbing tears) I ran across and stopped for, who was alone at night on a dimly lit sidewalk – get this – wanted to be raped and murdered.
Why? Her “fiancé” was in the club around the corner dancing with some other girl!
I was more in the mood for a beer and a sammich, and I knew the two other clubs in what passed for this “club district” had recently experienced some outbreaks of extreme rowdiness, so there were half a dozen idle cops in front of the club around the corner and I told ’em about her before heading on my way towards my ultimate objective.
True story.
Chick histrionics, sheesh! They should outfit everyone with tranquilizer dart guns to ‘help’ them…
OT, but relevant to churchians run amock:
Sister Got Divorced, Then Went on Mission
Women are now abandoning their marriages to pursue their ambitions as churchian missionaries!
Eat, Pray, Pontificate!
Reading that sounded to me like she ditched the marriage and THEN in a post-divorce conversation with her brother, got the idea to do a mission. So she delayed remarriage and anything else for a bit, but abandoned her marriage before, not because of the mission.
Based on her phrasing ‘certain sins crept back into his life’, my unsubstantiated guess is they had sex once or twice after their young marriage, it didn’t rock her world so she stopped doing it, and he started looking at porn. That ‘sin’ gave her an excellent excuse to move back home and pretend the whole thing never happened.
Strong and independant. Which means I don’t need a man. Pity her sons. They will be ultra-beta and end up marrying some used up 30+ woman who was ridden more than a NYC taxi cab.
Solomon wrote: “Her sons are doomed to slavery.
They won’t be hated for their lack of chivalry, but they will be hated by the women they desire, and then robbed by them in every possible way.
Nice job, mom. You’ll ruin your sons, but at least there will be more women getting the supplication they desire and then punish.”
Have hope. In their rebellious years, they’ll find the manosphere and un-learn all the BS their mother gave them.
😉
@Cane Caldo
High praise indeed! Thank you.
The fact that these articles are coming from urban, liberal, SWPL, Sex In The City types is an interesting social observation.
Usually a woman’s first port of call is her immediate male kin, father, brother, cousins, male aquaintances or significant other.
Given smaller families, later marriages, divorced families, commitment free sex, autonomy and working in mega cities, these women do not have any male fallbacks so they want (need) strangers to fill the void.
Effectively the call for chivalry is a call for strangers to fill the void created by feminism that removes male participation in their lives. Basically it’s a demand for social communism (for males) under the (shaming) guise of ultruism.
I try to open the door for everyone. Just the way I was raised. ( Same goes for giving up my spot for the elderly on public transportation, etc) But women are terrible I find about half won’t smile/nod/ acknowledge in any way when I hold the door for them.
As for the men…it’s impossible to open doors for them.
By the way, I really enjoy your writings Dalrock!
In the past ‘all’ women deffered to all the men and every man was duty bound to protect all women.
I remember as a teenager entering a room and an 80 year old woman stood up as I entered, I queried my mother as to why she did this and she told me it was because your a man. I was duty bound to protect her come hail or high water.
Now when a tart flips me off in traffic, all bets are off.
Well, clearly the British men acted badly, but to be honest, this woman could have done a little more to help them help her. For instance, if she wanted the Parking Warden to stand in the street so she didn’t need to be inconvenienced by rolling down the passenger window, she could have helped by getting out of her car and taking off all her clothes so traffic would slow down to look, thus making it safe for him to stand in the street.
Also, in this day and age, a man approaching a solitary woman might cause her nervousness, and any Good Man(tm) is going to be reluctant to cause her such worry, so he may not approach at all. However, again, if she takes off all her clothes and stands naked next to her car, it will signal that she would like some male attention, thus telling the nearby construction workers that it is okay to approach.
So, ladies, remember, as the Superior Sex, it is your responsibility to help the poor dumb men you need assistance from, and the first step in helping them is always getting naked.*
* note – if you have a husband, and you regularly get naked for him in the privacy (and warmth) of your own home, he will almost certainly come help you without requiring you to get naked outside, where everybody can see you and the cold air is… invigorating. So, just keep that in mind as an option.
Jack Amok says:
“However, again, if she takes off all her clothes and stands naked next to her car, it will signal that she would like some male attention, thus telling the nearby construction workers that it is okay to approach.”
Don’t you know that women are NEVER inviting your attention, no matter what they wear? How dare you judge a woman’s sexual receptiveness by her attire!
I can’t believe some of you men would even consider getting into an elevator if there might be women about. Clearly, elevators are for the sole convenience of women and it’s an affront to their sanctity to entertain such wanton thoughtlessness.
As such, there shouldn’t even be a situation where a man and a woman are both needing the exit the elevator. If you really must use the elevator, but there is already a woman on it, give a polite bow and wait for the next elevator. You wouldn’t want her to feel threatened by being trapped in an enclosed space with a man (and all men are inevitably rapists). If you are already on an elevator and a woman wants to get on, leave quickly and use the stairs instead.
SSM: what Cali said in his response. That’s pretty much my experience and thinking on the issue too.
Dalrock, you were on when you wrote this. Lozolzozolozl.
What can you do but laugh or curse…or maybe both. Reminds me of an old joke- “What’s the difference between porcupines and a BMWs? A porcupine’s pricks are on the outside”
A female aristocracy is what we have and what they want.
A couple of weeks ago, I was waiting to pay in the Walgreens. I was third in line. The girl in front of me was a little attractive, a 30 year old 6. And in this part of town, a 6 is queen because it is hog heaven. So since we men must stay in our box and never never step out of them, I was ignoring her and looking the wall of women’s publications, intent on who was divorcing who, who lost 65 pounds, who’s husband was cheating, who was now fabulous and classy again after divorcing that husband. The woman who was paying had one of those carpal tunnel wrist braces on and she was struggling to get a heavy case of bottled water back into her cart. I wasn’t paying attention because I don’t pay attention to women. I really don’t care for them much and as they doddle at the check out, it annoys me. So the woman in front of me, the 6, says, almost barks out, “Where’s a man?” and calls to me “Sir, could you help this woman carry this water to her car?” Now as it is written, it seems like nothing, no big deal. But the way she spoke to me, that sir wasn’t a “sir”, one was more like “boy” or “slave” and it wasn’t a request, it was more of an order, especially in front of people. At first, I didn’t think much of it. I hadn’t been paying attention and then saw the woman with a brace on her wrist struggling with water. For me, it was like “What? Ok, sure”. But then it pissed me off. Just the way those women assumed I’m their slave and the way she spoke to me.
Seriously, doesn’t she need help for her broken down BMW like a fish needs a bicycle?
Yet another insufferable, horrid Anglo-Saxon twat. Yawn.
I am truly shocked: Rachel, (the second example) was in an elevator with a man and he alighted without even speaking to her. How on earth can girls become Elevator-Divas if men fail to treat them as sexual objects with such lines as ‘ ‘Don’t take this the wrong way, but…’. Clearly neither Motor-Cars nor Elevators are safe objects for women to be in – so what are men going to do about this obvious oppression?
I take the stairs.
Liz Jones….’Nuff said.
The French require that all motorists have a high-visibility jacket and warning triangle in the back of their cars for emergencies. I would extend this requirement to include a collapsible chair. In the event of encountering Liz Jones or any other ragingly entitled BitchQueenPrincess in distress by the side of the road, one should immediately stop, erect said chair, and laugh uproariously for as long as the emergency services take to arrive.
@sunshinemary 4:21
The entitlement princess disease has infected as many wymen in this part of Asia where I live. I’ve held doors for them. I’ve held the lift doors open for them. About 9 out of 10 wymen neither utter a word nor acknowledge my act. Instead, they stride through the door or in/out of the life as though they were Queen Elizabeths walking in the Royal Gardens in the Palace.
Offtopic, but an interesting comment …. christianity is basically a mangina feminist cult without a strong patriarchial structure to reinforce its on your knee’s, guilt based doctrine
“This goes along with my notion that partial Christianity (as all churches practice it today) is a net-negative on the stability of civilization. Christian compassion, and guilt-based thinking without the counterbalance of patriarchal authority is contributing to the overall decline of the western world.
It is not the case that a “little bit” of Christianity is good for society, but rather the whole system must be in place or it is worse than useless.
The dogma that is being practiced today is like a poorly-maintained car that will eventually kill it occupants.”
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/02/20/michael-kimmels-quack-sociology/#comment-179861
Without the whole, there is no christianity … only a strong traditional male society, can pull off the fire & brimstone necessary to keep professional social parasites, ie women & mangina’s from destroying families …
Fire & brimstone, the true nature of christianity, a concept men have to acquire …
Sunshinemary, I used to hold the door for all women, but I never heard them say thanks. They just kept walking as if I was a machine. I stopped doing this in college, and lost count of how many strong, independent women I offended by not opening the door for them. These days, I’ll open the door if I know you, if you have your hands full, or if you have a physical problem that makes it difficult for you to open the door. This is regardless of gender.
Mack PUA:
Really interesting point and good comment.
Both Christianity and Islam carry the seeds of feminism and vagina worship, as they must if they want to keep their adherents happy and filling the donation/begging bowl, but in the USA these religions are getting out of control..
A lot of American Muslims I talk to confess that their religious leaders are also taking pieces of their holy book and twisting it to attract more chicks. I suppose the idea is that if the chicks come, the men must follow, making the mosque and church like a night club with ladies night lol.
The Muslim men will be lectured on duty for hours, while the women are lectured on their rights. Islam has the potential to be even worse than Christianity, because a selective reading can really be a ballbuster, with men being ordered to completely support their wife (wives) financially, and with no duty on the woman’s part to make any money or contribute anything. She just gets to be a special snowflake that her husband needs to constantly strive to be worthy to converse with.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that it’s not just Christianity that is a mess. Feminism has infected all religions.
It has also infected the “rational” type groups, with things like “Atheism Plus” (it’s not enough just to be secular, you need to put women on a pedestal before you can be a “true” atheist, lol). Kooky idiots like Amanda Marcotte and “skepchick” Rebecca Watson have completely torn these groups apart, and it’s a shame. They used to be full of fun people and I liked them.
Peace, Boxer
Someone has an unhealthy obsession with Mrs. Gregoire’s website. Including Rachel in your list of ridiculous women really was reaching. I mean, there was an attempt at controlling the hamster (ie I’m not actually entitled to this) and a brief fling into ev psych. Both of which are things Dalrock et al can’t stand in a woman.
Come on, people. Guns down range if you please.
nightskyradio says:
February 21, 2013 at 4:14 pm
“It’s easier to just fire a few rounds through the door first once the elevator stops.”
Shame! Shame!. No mention of offering her earplugs first.
@Natalie the guns are pointed down range. It’s not our fault some people like to stand there.
It’s amusing that even sheila expects men to “be good christians” and behave “honorably” even while admitting that women are not fulfilling their biblical roles. The reality is that until women start facing some consequences for their choices, they aren’t going to change.
How is it a reach to include Rachel’s comments? She at least stopped to think about her assumptions, but still came to the conclusion that she should get special privileges because she is a woman and women are more important, and men must defer to her importance.
Mark Minter says:
“…So the woman in front of me, the 6, says, almost barks out, “Where’s a man?” and calls to me “Sir, could you help this woman carry this water to her car?” Now as it is written, it seems like nothing, no big deal. But the way she spoke to me, that sir wasn’t a “sir”, one was more like “boy” or “slave” and it wasn’t a request, it was more of an order, especially in front of people…”
Screw the attempt to shame you into complying. I bet if the woman with the hurt wrist turned to you and asked “could you please help me with this?” most men would be willing to give a hand.
But her expectation that a man will do it, and the cashier’s expectation that a random man will do it, even if ostensibly phrased as a request would remove all goodwill from me.
I think it would be completely appropriate to reply “Nope, I have places to be. Does’t your store pay people to do carryout?”
My neighbor just snow plowed our driveway, what a wonderful man he is! I think I’ll send my daughters over with chocolate chip cookies later this afternoon. Chivalry is alive and working.
Notice that the photo was “posed by a model” – a full-length picture of the author would have been too much for readers to bear.
Men not only have a duty to help – they have a duty to give up desirable jobs so that women can have an equal share of the remuneration, regardless of their level of skill. This has gone furthest, of course, in Sweden. The fire department in the city of Lund has achieved an “exemplary” gender balance. Unfortunately, whereas firemen can break down a security-enforced door in 45 to 60 seconds, it takes female firefighters eleven minutes to do the same job.
The fact that after eleven minutes the occupants of the dwelling would all be dead is apparently less important than being an equal-opportunity employer.
http://www.d-intl.com/equal-rights-for-firemen-constitutes-a-public-hazard/
@SSM,
Yes I do. In my building at work there are some that are unmitigated bitches and they do not get that pleasantry. There are a few women who have said snotty things. I shoot right back as the situation warrants. There are some young girls who are on the fence and have not been trained into total hags yet and might be a little sassy, I’m old enough now that I can sass back. Then their are the women that I truly _enjoy_ opening doors for. They are usually older. I think Cane described them once as something like “caressed by death”. They usually thank you and smile. I’ve even gotten hugs from a few.
@GT66,
It pays to be a hero
This is exactly the sort of barbarism that worries me. He _is_ a hero. He _will_ be rewarded. Using that as a cautionary tale is just lame. I would hope to high heaven that I was being attacked by four thugs someone would try to defend civilization over barbarism. That some here make fun of this defense is deeply frustrating and worrisome to me. Yes heroes die. It happens frequently. I’d rather not just roll over and submit and teach people to be _not_ heroic. In fact that act of just rolling over strikes me as effeminate in the extreme.
@Sis,
And this is the proper response ladies. I for one heartily recommend well made chocolate chip cookies that have never seen margarine and are all to happy in their marriage with butter. They must also be delivered _with smiles_. It is one of the magics that women do have that men do truly enjoy smiling women. We like smiling women about as much as we despise haggish bitter women.
This has given me much to think about and has added even more confusion to the difficult conundrums I face with the women at work. Such as, what’s my role when the ladies are gossiping and slandering some other poor sap who happens to have a better shift than them? What’s my role in stirring the pot so that they don’t become upset?
Legion – “It’s easier to just fire a few rounds through the door first once the elevator stops.”
Shame! Shame!. No mention of offering her earplugs first.
From all the stories of womyn ignoring men doing helpful things, it sound like they have their earplugs securely and unshakably in already.
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“I’ll send my daughters over with chocolate chip cookies later this afternoon.”
How DARE you do something nice for a man after he did something nice for you. And even worse, using your OWN daughter as a vehicle for this atrocity. DISGUSTING!
*goes back to reading Vogue and sipping carrot juice*
Feminists wanted equality and now they are getting it. men should just leave them to it. MGTOW
Heh. My favorite part of this is that the women have an expectation that men are psychic and can somehow infer their desires through the extrasensory special power of chival-ray-vision.
Particularly when the more likely case is… well, does anyone recall the chain-gang scene in Cool Hand Luke when the gal is washing the car? I’ll bet she wanted a hand, too, but those louts didn’t pick up on it.
I moved a non-trivial refrigerator down some stairs and around a block for a female friend of mine. She asked nicely and got me lunch afterwards. And some other things, much later afterwards. That’s the way to do it.
A good parent does not do what the child wants but what they need. A good spouse takes care of needs and not all wants (some, like gold, jewels and fashion, are insatiable).
If we do that with those we love, why should a stranger expect anything different? We will do what is needed. But no person is entitled to having their wishes majickally provided for. We do not live in Hogwarts, folks.
GKChesterton
In my building at work there are some that are unmitigated bitches and they do not get that pleasantry.
You do understand that this is barbarism, by the standards of many churchgoing men? That you should be kind to all women no matter what they do to you? That this proves you know nothing of true chivalry, as it is understood by one heck of a lot of White “I Defend And Reward Bad Behavior By Women” Knights? Yes, those men — the kind of White Knights who make a big stink about the eeeevil angry men, AKA “MRA’s”?
WIth regard to GT66’s note: I wasn’t there, I can’t make the call. Probably the man was right to intervene, although it is also possible the lady fair started the fight and got more back than she expected. People mouth off a lot when they are stressed and being delayed, such as in fast food drive up lines (another reason not to put that stuff inside one’s body). He could also have wound up getting stomped by the boy-friends of the gurlz in question. Or just shot dead on the spot. That happens, too. And again, it is possible that the woman who was under attack actually provoked the fight. In fact, in some parts of the country where grudges run deep, she may be getting back some of what she herself had dealt out in the past.
(I would be real careful about some other family’s family quarrel. Ask any veteran street cop why.)
Now I’ll point out how something like this could turn out badly in a different way. Oh, and this one is specially for the Jesse Powell entity.
Suppose that you, for any male “you” reading, while in a parking garage happen upon a couple of men in cheap suits harassing a 30-something woman. They are laying hands upon her, and yelling something you can’t quite understand, while she screams “LEAVE ME ALONE! GET AWAY!”. Mounting your trusty charger, you lay into the fray, knocking both blackguards to the ground with such force that the middle aged woman is able to escape into a stairwell. Satisfied with your work, you begin to give the two ruffians a piece of your mind. “Now see here, you two, this is no way to treat a lady….”
One of them interrupts you most rudely by shoving his FBI credentials in your face, as the other sets off in pursuit of Nasty Nellie, who is wanted as a suspected accomplice in several bank robberies. Congratulations on your new set of one-size-fits-all bracelets…
My battery died in a parking lot recently and my jumper pack did not have enough juice to get it going. So, I tried an experiment, I asked the nearest person for a jump, which happened to be a trio of older women, maybe late 50s. They didn’t have to do anything, since I had my own cables. They said no, because they were “from out of town”. I was confused, what does being out of town have to do with it? So I said, it will take 3 minutes, and you don’t have to do anything, and you won’t be late.
This time, a flat no – as expected. I smiled, and waved them a good evening, thinking to myself… If ever see you stuck on road, forget it. And I have cables and a battery pack on me.
Oh, but my friend, an much more attractive younger woman, jumped at the chance to drive out of her way 40 minutes to come give me a jump, and a ride home. Go figure.
@OffTheCuff: I always love it when an attractive younger woman goes out of her way to come over and give you a jump. Although I think the ride home usually comes first in that case.
It already came first, heh.
This is not a new thing. Twenty to thirty years ago, I came back from Mexico to my rural Midwestern city, and sat down to read accumulated newspapers. Some woman had a very insulting op-ed, telling how men just aren’t gentlemen any more.
Seems she drives a car she knows has a weak battery, so if it dies, she needs a push. And, it died downtown. She asked several “businessmen” to give her a push, and they just laughed at her. Finally, a working class, young man gave her her push.
I fired off a response, much like here. I thoroughly investigated weather that day, cost for a tow truck to start her car, everything. And, then I roasted her, telling how a man’s good tie cost a lot more than a start would cost her, not to mention a good suit. And, with perfect summer weather there was no emergency at all.
And, I made the obvious comment about the modern woman with her equality still views all men as her personal beasts of burden.
The day after it was published, I got a letter from a traveling salesman who had been stuck in a local hotel overnight. He was bored, so he read the local newspaper, and my letter had him laughing and laughing. So, he wrote the letter with a traditional sexist joke added.
So, women aren’t changed. They always did expect to have their cake and eat it, too.
Choked on red pills – do the men say thank you? Could just be the lack of
[Western] etiquette, especially in the big cities in certain Asian countries.
damned if you do, damned if you don’t i remember reading the articles that shamed the men in the colorado theater shooting for running for saefty instead of guarding their women.
then there’s the guy at the baseball game that ducked for cover when a foul ball went his way in the stands and he didn’t sheild his GF. i think this happened a few years ago. he got slammed by guuuurl sites and in the news
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/433285-video-boyfriend-bails-on-a-foul-ball
Anonymous Reader @ 7:23 said:
WIth regard to GT66′s note: I wasn’t there, I can’t make the call. Probably the man was right to intervene, although it is also possible the lady fair started the fight
I wasn’t there, either, but I think I can safely deduce, from the events described, that
(a) the “lady” was neither a lady, nor fair (in any sense);
(b) this was just normal behaviour for all parties concerned, and didn’t call for intervention. In fact, any interference was bound to provoke violence from all involved.
I’m an inveterate White Knight (I don’t live in America; the ladies where I live are mostly old-fashioned and quite pleasant) but some situations just don’t allow for happy endings.
Christian red pill…
http://quitplayingchurch.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/the-christian-red-pill/
In a man’s world, there is no shame in asking for help, but there is an expectation that before a man asks for help, he must first use his resourcefulness and initiative to solve the problem himself as best he can. The difference between childhood and adulthood for men is measured in self-reliance. The article Dalrock pulled from show that women (at least these ladies) have not quite transitioned into adulthood, though they want to be equal with men.
The modern harridan in the workplace is poison. Filled with Oprah and The View mantras, she has left many innocents in her wake with false accusations, appeals to sympathy etc etc. Bullies.
Best approach is to engage them with a rational mind to develop a reputation that you are not one to trifle with. Sure, some men aren’t smart or strong enough to withstand subsequent attacks, but the alternative is standing by while they torment others.
As far as the whole Human Resources/Mgt coming in to her ‘defense’, you must understand that this is part of the battle MRAs are waging. We have realized that living in fear of this is a fate worse than … finding another job (also, I have noticed a sharp drop in recent years in Feminist grandstanding in my workplace, due to a number of reasons, primarily being the fact that no one is buying their BS anymore).
Boxer, I recall a network news segment maybe 2-3 yrs after 9/11 about Americans converting to Islam. I can’t recall the exact numbers but it was many tens of thousands, and women far outnumbered men – not 55/45 or 65/35, but more like 75/25 or 80/20.
So they’re drawing the chicks, but the men aren’t following. Perhaps the process you describe is how religions self-implode and destroy themselves. Whoever gets stuck with the dumb useless troublemaking bimbos loses.
Personal experience tells me that even worse than a woman in the workplace is a disabled man with an attitude that bskillet would describe as ‘entitlement princess’ who knows every dodge to avoid work, take days off when unscheduled with vague symptoms,, and claims protection from the disability discrimination act for all his wrongdoings and misdemeanours.
As I read through the OP again I noticed that the complaint was about working men who are presumably paid by the hour. Would she have been willing to pay her helpers’ employer’s charge out rates for the help she wanted if they were still ‘on the clock’?
Do you guys want to see what awaits modern spinster women? Check this out; this is so funny and depressing at the same time;
http://singleinbaltimore.wordpress.com
This aging slut is losing her mind.
@Anonymous,
Your whole post again flies past, “is it good?” and ends with, “it might be dangerous in wrong in certain situations so never do it.” I can’t read that as anything _other_ than an argument for cowardice and inaction. Do not sail Columbus, they might be right! Charlemagne no one can refashion the empire! Captain Drake the Spanish Navy is too powerful!
It is distinctly effeminate.
GKChesterton
Your whole post again flies past, “is it good?” and ends with, “it might be dangerous in wrong in certain situations so never do it.”
I can’t read that as anything _other_ than an argument for cowardice and inaction.
I’m sure it looks that way to you, chatting in a combox.
Do you have fire insurance on your house? If so, are you a coward, trembling in fear for mere material things? Do you wear a seat belt when driving? Does that make you a coward, fearful and craven at the idea of an accident? Do you have locks on the doors of your dwelling? Surely not, for that would be the mark of a cowardly man who doubts his own abilities to repel any home invaders, even from a deep sleep, wouldn’t it?
In the real world, where real men have to take real actions that have real consequences, prudence and discernment are considered to be virtues, not vices as you apparently would have it.
Do not sail Columbus, they might be right! Charlemagne no one can refashion the empire! Captain Drake the Spanish Navy is too powerful!
Calm down, GKC, you’re getting a bit hysterical, here.
Jesse Powell demands that all men defend all women. It appears GKC opines the same, except when does not. Either way, the issue is not so much “do not sail, Columbus”, but more like “Bleed to death in the gutter defending the honor of that crack whore vs. her pimp”. Or perhaps “step into the middle of a domestic dispute and then get attacked by both the man and the woman” (again, ask any veteran street cop about domestic disputes).
But, hey, if you believe that essentially committing suicide for someone else’s meth habit is a manly thing to do, then I reckon that is what you have to do. However, urging other men to not think, not look, not analyze the problem, not bother to understand what is really going on, i.e. act like you and Powell, that’s going to get challenged.
It is distinctly effeminate.
Sure. And the men I have known who teach self defense – combat veterans, many of them – they are all effeminate, too, eh? RIght. Only you and Jesse Powell are real men. And in the event someone takes your advice, and winds up in court, or in the ICU, or dead, you and Jesse – you’ll be right along to help them and their families out with court costs, medical costs, funeral costs…sure, that’ll happen.
Oh, and GKC, you forgot this:
GKChesterton
In my building at work there are some that are unmitigated bitches and they do not get that pleasantry.
You do understand that this is barbarism, by the standards of many churchgoing men? That you should be kind to all women no matter what they do to you?
I got it. Passive-aggressive “no door for you”, and snippiness in the copy room – that’s manly.
Figuring out what is really going on in some street altercation before rushing in – cowardice.
Thanks for clearing that up, GKC.
Well here’s a beaut of an article. Chinese men, you need a good dressing down by your elders! Why are you not marrying such precious creatures?! Just man up already, do you bit and swallow that bitter harridan pill…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2282249/The-leftover-women-China-defines-official-age-females-left-shelf-27.html
Two more comments about the real world.
First, any time we are in public, there’s a good chance we are being video recorded. One of the interesting aspects of the meteor fall in Russia was the amount of video. Traffic cameras, individual dash-cams, surveillance cameras in all manner of buildings all provided video of the sonic boom’s effects. While dash-cams are not common in the US aside from cop cars, it won’t be a surprise if more people start using them.
Any big box store, any shopping mall, any convenience store, any airport, most parking garages, etc. have video cameras running, and the images (with or without audio) are stored somewhere, for varying lengths of time. Plus the ubiquity of smart phones means that people may be recording you, intentionally or not, at various times. So if you find yourself in a verbal disagreement in a restaurant, on a street corner, in a store – it’s likely being recorded with both video and audio. If you are in a traffic accident it very likely is on some video somewhere. As you walk down the street in many urban areas, you are recorded by both public and private cameras. Some cities, such as London and Manhattan, apparently record an image of every single motor vehicle that enters or exits various important areas. Smile, you’re on candid camera. The Bard of Avon famously wrote that all the world is a stage, and all are mere players – that’s more true now than he could have ever guessed. And this is true regardless of religion – agnostic, atheist, whatever: there is just about always a witness to your actions, in any city and most towns.
(Those who claim a belief in God, of course, constantly reveal their true belief by their words and actions.)
Second, a good starting point to seriously thinking about these issues can be found in some books. There are three I would suggest for anyone who is serious about self defense, mainly in a US-centric sense.
Mindset: “Principles of Personal Defense” by Jeff Cooper.
Mindset and some elementary tactics: “The Street Smart Gun Book” by John Farnam.
Some mindset, some tactics, and legal ramifications: “In Gravest Extreme” by Massad Ayoob.
These books are over 20 years old but they are still quite relevant. I suggest all three because they compliment each other. Messeurs Ayoob and Farnam are still active instructors. Mr. Cooper died a few years back, but the training he founded continues on. Any search engine will be useful in this matter.
I am unaware of where chivalry demands, or where I have said that it demands, that churchian ethics be paramount.
Actually, this broad was doing what most do: taking a mild inconvenience and turning it into the fu**cking Crimean war. That way, she can further entrench herself as the “victim” and when some putz DOES come help she can wield his power over him. She wanted to throw a tantrum – just like a 4 year old.
I am a coward because I will not get involved in ending some random act of violence? Funny how I never heard anyone I served with in combat make a similar claim
The term keyboard commando comes to mind
Jesus answered, “A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side. In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he travelled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, ‘Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.’ Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbour to him who fell among the robbers?”
He said, “He who showed mercy on him.”
Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do.”
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That Jesus. Total keyboard commando.
The violence was already over when the Good Samaritan showed up. And no matter what the Bible says, you are at best a keyboard commando/ mall ninja
Ton you are being more than a little dickish and splitting hairs in an epic way. I have above advocated prudence, but I will not advocate cowardice.
Yep I am a dick, guilty as charged. I am not splitting hairs as their are many factors, practical and legal that you most likely know jackshit about and are at best a keyboard commando spouting off bullshit about how a man is a coward with no demonstrable claim to courage, and insulting many good men who have actually, actual demonstrable courage. More then that, not giving a damn and not stepping in, is still not cowardice
Here is a link to an article by Ayoob. There are a lot of facts packed in this article, but it deals with murder and violence, described in some clinical detail, so I do not recommend it to the squeamish.
It has to do with a very violent man, and two sheriff’s deputies who investigate an ambiguous situation, in a rural mountainous area, at night. There are an abundance of real world lessons here, for those who read carefully. Please bear in mind the two deputies are trained, have guns at the ready, and radios for backup in this report. The average man with a flashlight and a cell phone, intent on being a big do-gooder, would not be nearly so well prepared…
http://www.opensourcesinfo.org/journal/2006/8/6/slay-the-monster-flay-the-hero-the-billy-anders-casethe-ayoob-files.html
I challenge all the manly keyboard artists to read this document, then tell me exactly how they would have handled that situation, if they were one of the neighbors.
If a woman was doing what you are doing right now we would call it solipsistic thinking. You tell me where I called _you_ a coward or someone specific here. Do it quickly, apologize, or continue being dickish. Your choice. I don’t much care either way, but unlike you I’ve only called you out on behavior that is easily demonstrable and only after letting pass an accusation that you have no evidence for. But let me hazard a guess that you won’t be able to because I didn’t. And that you will continue to push away like a “keyboard warrior” jousting against a windmill.
You have said its cowardice to not go the rescue, allowing for prudence. I say it is not and that I will not and courage has nothing to do with the equation.
@pb
Where I live, the influence of Western etiquette is considerable. Oftentimes, women here, like their Western counterparts, lament about chivalry (or the lack thereof).
Generally, more men acknowledge my gesture than women. There were situations where I was the only man in the lift with a gaggle of women and none of them say or acknowledge my gesture.
“When did telepathy become a person requirement for men” -ukfred
Whenever it was when the early humans climbed down out of the trees and one of the first women was eaten by a cheetah because her man didn’t read her mind and know that she was an idiot.
@Ton,
I like the half walk back Ton. So, you agree that I have not called you a coward despite your claim, in some places that is called “lying”. Not only lying but you used it as the basis for launching an attack. You made this about you in the same way we accuse women of always making it about them. In fact my comments were not about cowardice per se but about the _heroics_ of the man cited in Anonymous’ post as opposed to anything about you. I’ve read your other stuff, I don’t think you are trying to be dickish but you are right now. You’ve accused me of something I haven’t done (attack you), pressed it until found out, made insults against my character, and now are unable to walk it all back. Don’t be that guy.
If you allow for prudence when exactly do you go on the attack? If you have satisfied prudence and don’t defend civilization that sounds an awfully lot like cowardice. When in your mind does it become cowardice? This is such an important part of our Western Tradition that it is written into law as “Failure to Act”. Something that you should be familiar with as a soldier.
@Anonymous,
So I’ve read the article now. It is a very sad article. It has also nothing but tangential importance to the questions here. It was also a bit of a fluff piece in that the author was very kind to tactical mistakes made by the officer involved. I certainly can’t blame the guy. He was in his sixties and in a horrific situation, but mistakes have costs and those led to a trial in which he was falsely accused.
In fact it is stories like this that make me wonder at you philosophical foundations. If I read this with the argument you’ve presented the only possible outcome is: the cop should have done nothing until the situation was completely safe (bugger the little girl!) and that his action shouldn’t be seen as brave so much as stupid. I with all that pro-chivalry clutter in my head have to see the case as sad and the actor as a hero (even his partner who failed to listen to an order). I’ll stick with my reading thank-you very much. That is, and let me be crystal clear about this, the article has NO emotional import WITHOUT chivalric concepts of justice.
You are trying to use slick words and your skill with writing to cover over your implied message that those who do not act when action is prudent are cowards. My point is there are reason not to act that are independent of courage, and your position is not shared by combat vet I have served with. If I believe I missed understood you, I would apologize for the misunderstanding. I don’t think I have, no apology if forth coming.
Nice attempt at shaming language by the way
Failure to act is not a soldier’s concern. I took the kings silver and obeyed the kings orders. Failure to act is a civil matter. If you act when you shouldn’t the state will also hold you accountable, and failure to act is covered by a cellphone call. Make the call an you are covered legally. Leastwise where I live. I no longer take the kings silver and am free to act according to my concerns
All that made the West great died before I was born and I no longer value society enough to defend it. I will defend my kin, my friends and those I am paid to and none else.
A female aristocracy is what we have and what they want. (infowarrior1)
I’ve been working on a new (to me) idea, namely that the Civil War didn’t end slavery — it simply extended it to all men. After all, feminism did take root in this country right after the CW, no doubt playing on male guilt over the carnage, and ever since we’ve been hearing what a wonderful place it would be if you just gave women more of everything, more freedom, more “empowerment”, more positions of authority.
Even though the North won the battle, the South lost the war. The modern woman bears a striking resemblance in her attitudes to the privileged idle busy-body must-have-it-all self-centered plantation southern belle, without any of the downsides or obligations.
Mencken was already writing about it fifty years after the CW, when he referred to the then modern woman as “a gadabout, truculent, irresponsible creature, full of strange new ideas about her rights, and strongly disinclined to submit to her husband’s authority, or to devote herself honestly to the upkeep of his house, or to bear him a biological sufficiency of heirs.”
Rich Zubaty had a choice essay on this from ~15 yrs back…
The New Aristocrats
[-Not sure how I managed to hit the secret html sequence which auto-converts into a link to google groups… (?) weird ]
anyhow, continuing w/Zubaty on Aristocrats…
[D: I zapped the extended quote and put a link in its place.]
An iteresting, if only slightly related, article:
http://rhinoden.rangerup.com/the-curious-case-of-staff-sergeant-parsons/
These seems to sum up why marriage is an even bigger risk for the military.
@SSM
a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
Never!…….I treat women exactly the way they want to be treated….LIKE MEN!
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I was raised by both my parents, to be a hardcore old-fashioned chivalrist. In many ways, I still am.
However… the last time I pulled over to help a stranded woman on the road, I was treated like a criminal.
Never again.
Loved the read, this was highly entertaining, including all of the commentary.
@SSM
a. if men here ever hold doors open for random women
I hold it for whomever all of the time, be it man or woman. But like someone else said, I too have noticed that I actually receive a thank you or nod of acknowledgement more so from other men than I do women. More than half of the women that I hold the door for (if I don’t know them at least by acquaintance) don’t acknowledge the act. Sometimes I feel like it’s fear of even addressing another human being, let alone a man, and other times they clearly just expected it to happen. But I don’t necessarily expect any courtesy from them, I’m just doing what I think is a nice thing to do.
This also seems heavily environmental. I’m from southern California, and while people are nice enough, there is etiquette that many don’t seem to adhere to the same as other places. I was in upstate New York for instance, and was shocked that almost everyone would even say hello before I could get around to it first. When I say that here (in southern CA), many people lower their heads and act like you’re some weirdo for being friendly.
piss off lady.
GKC
So I’ve read the article now. It is a very sad article. It has also nothing but tangential importance to the questions here.
Any thinking man would see the application to the questions here immediately. Obviously everything must be explained to you. Short version: what if you were in one of the nearby cabins, and heard scream – gunshot – gunshot. What should you do? What would you do? Your position above clearly enjoins you to charge off into the darkness, and get killed as soon as possible. That’s what Columbus and Drake would do, surely…
Long version: you and some other people have rented or borrowed a cabin in a remote location. A little resort town in the mountains, a little town in the north woods, a little beach town, a little seaside town, a little town up in the hills, a little town up on the lake, etc.. A resort town where many people come and go – transients who stay for a few days and go away. There may be children in the party. It’s 9:00 and a rousing game of Canasta is ongoing when one of the women says, “Was that a scream?” and everyone talks at once, muffling the next sound. A man says, “Pipe down! I think I heard a shot!” and in the silence that follows, a shot is definitely heard. Now what? Well?
Well, according to you, all the men should charge out into the darkness immediately and mill around in search of unknown numbers of people, engaged in unknown activities, with unknown motives, but who are definitely in possession of at least one working firearm. There’s no need to call for police – he-manly men don’t need any help, right GKC? They’ll just man up and deal with whatever is out there.
Maybe it’s a drunk cranking off rounds on his birthday and his Significant Other just screamed at him to cut it out. Maybe it’s a family fight. Maybe it’s murder, as given in the example. Or maybe, just as a possibility, it’s a rural house-breaking gang that just knocked over a dwelling occupied by a single woman. The next house down the road is the one you and your party are in. I’m sure the women and children can hold them off, though, while you and the rest of the manly men stumble around in the dark, running into things. Flashlights? Bah! Real Men have no need of them…
Bismarck once famously said that any fool can learn from his mistakes, he preferred to learn from the mistakes of others. A thinking man, upon reading the article about the New Mexico incident, would say to himself, “Hmm, what if I was in such a situation, just down the canyon, or otherwise nearby, and heard scream – gunshot – gunshot? What would be a prudent course of action?” and he would then consider his mindset, his tools, his training, and the mindset, tools and training of those who accompany him on trips to remote locations. He might even go so far as to work out a plan for such a contingency, just as he’d work out a plan to deal with fire breaking out in such a cabin – got a fire extinguisher in the car? Maybe it should be in the cabin?
That is what a thinking man would do, after reading such an account. Let’s see what you do, GKC.
It was also a bit of a fluff piece in that the author was very kind to tactical mistakes made by the officer involved. I certainly can’t blame the guy. He was in his sixties and in a horrific situation, but mistakes have costs and those led to a trial in which he was falsely accused.
So far, GKC, you have nothing useful to say. What would you do in the situation?
In fact it is stories like this that make me wonder at you philosophical foundations. If I read this with the argument you’ve presented the only possible outcome is: the cop should have done nothing until the situation was completely safe (bugger the little girl!) and that his action shouldn’t be seen as brave so much as stupid.
Nice strawman. Bash away. It has nothing to do with me, or anything I’ve written. A thinking man would understand that a uniformed, sworn officer has certain powers and duties that accompany those powers, that society has given said officer. And, of course, some degree of training in handling sticky interpersonal situations.
But again, GKC, what would you do?
I with all that pro-chivalry clutter in my head have to see the case as sad and the actor as a hero (even his partner who failed to listen to an order). I’ll stick with my reading thank-you very much.
But what would you do, GKC, in such a situation, in the cabin just down the road? Or as a sworn officer? I see that while you are ready to comment, and bash a strawman, you are not capable of explicating what you would do. Therefore, you have not met the challenge issued above, not in the slightest.
That is, and let me be crystal clear about this, the article has NO emotional import WITHOUT chivalric concepts of justice
I’m sure that the emotions matter a great deal to you, GKC. In fact, I’m pretty sure that emotions dominate you almost entirely, to the near exclusion of thought. And the reason I write so, is because of your habit of making a broad, general statement such as “I counsel prudence” or “women have agency”, and then proceeding into a specific example you invariably contradict that broad, general statement in the real world case. So you appear to be emotionally driven, and simply unable, or unwilling, to think through any situation at all.
This thread has once again demonstrated that. According to you, Columbus didn’t need to actually be a navigator, he didn’t need to plan how many days of food and water would be needed for his planned voyage, he didn’t need a trained crew. All he needed was his awesome manliness. And Drake wasted time training his crews to out sail and out shoot the Spanish, all he needed was awesome, chivalric, awesomeness. Training? Arms? A plan? Faugh! Feminine cowardice, says GKC, in yet another fit of emotion totally devoid of thought.
To return to the OP, it is not the job of every single man on the planet to drop what he is doing and go and die at the feet of any given woman, for her pleasure. I’m sure that you , GKC will disagree with this position, and in a fine, emotional, fashion.
And thanks for yet another demonstration of how you bow down and worship the idol of Woman.
A female who is not a member of my tribe gets the same consideration as a hostile male as far as I’m concerned.
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Herp, are you insane? So any female, be she disabled, elderly, a young one, or just a woman, who comes in your presence is just another ass to kick???
All this nonsense about chivalry is amusing. The Chivalric Code was a code of conduct for war, for the nobility anyway. It was an attempt to make war, for the elite, something of a moderately dangerous sport. The chance of death was there, but surrender was an option. The peasants though, kill them as much as you like.
What’s the articles mentioned here are on about it more like Courtly Love. These rules were mainly codified by a poet trying to get out of Eleanor of Aquitaine’s prisons. Today a lot of people say they are romantic and how men should treat women. However, what they really are is a means to give women control over men. Try reading them sometime, if you can find an unadulterated copy. Many of the rules are designed to make men fight harder during tournaments for the women’s amusement and all for the price of a smile, a glove or maybe a kiss. Most of the rest were little games and hoops the men would have to jump through, again for the amusement of the noble women. But again like the Chivalric Code, it only applied to the nobility. While a kind of adultery might be permitted under courtly love with the nobility, noble women were to be pursued not forced, but peasant women were fair game.
So, you have chivalry which tried to civilize war and courtly love which tried to make playthings of men.
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Hello terrence from redonkulas.com and I wish chime in on this subject. as a soldier who served in the US ARMY while it was engaged in 3 wars and was wounded in 2 of them. I just want to say my white horse is parked and my armor has been reconstructed to make a nice wood burner. I will not come to the aid of a woman unless the welfare of a child is at stake. I do not hold doors, pull chairs or intervene in anyway what so ever for women. I am sorry but in my travels I have seen many women pick fights they cant finish, talk trash expecting others to step in and ride the drama wave. Now after all the craziness and stupidity I see from the opposite sex, I wont even give a witness statement. Its just not worth my time. my opinion of course
@Some Guy
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This aging slut is losing her mind.”
*****
To use their favorite expression, OMG, that chick is bat shit crazy!!
Her ranting over singledom was so outrageous that I actually read all her blog posts as a lesson into female insanity. She can’t understand why no man wants a perfect woman like herself, yet her first blog post reveals exactly why. She killed my interest just by saying she loves Sex in the City.
She’s definitely a victim of modern society’s and Oprah-like medias preaching. Throughout her blog she states how great she is, how great her friends say she is (lies), what she deserves, that men are intimidated by her (eye-roll), her minimum criteria for a man, and the most shockingly sexist and telling…”do men expect that I should go up to them and talk? Why should I do all the work?” OMFG!!!
She speaks of how all the rejection is breaking her down, completely blind to men dealing with that our entire lives. While tiresome, it was a good read because it exposed the thinking patterns of how some women are…and revealed why some women I’ve known were they way they were.
^^^ and the pervading theme is that she should be able to get a man because she wants one, and wants it by this timeline…I want it so it’s going to happen.
I love it. “I can do anything a man can do!”
“Oh yeah? How about moving those heavy boxes over there?”
“Oh! I wonder if there are any big strong men who can come and help a damsel in distress?”
I take great pleasure in not being a manboypig. Who am I to assume the woman can’t carry the heavy object or get the door on her own? Of course, these rules don’t apply to women ‘of a certain age’ who are often shocked to see chivalry is still alive. Oh well, they can blame my misogynist pig father who raised me to respect women and elders and the combination even more so.. how quaint is seems today.
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Hilarious, absolutely brilliant way of dealing with these entitled harpies.
If I may, I wrote a rather more serious take on the concept of ‘chivalry’, if you wouldn’t mind having a look.
http://johnsalmonsworld.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/is-chivalry-dead-who-knows/
She was fat.