Angelica at Yahoo Answers asks: Why are young men oogling me?
I am a woman in her mid-30s and decent looking. Decent, not drop-dead gorgeous by any means. Anyways, I have noticed younger men (like early 20s and even younger) checkin me out lookin at me like the wanna take a bite or something! In HS I was not the one these young, hot guys would typically chase after, so why am I getting this attention now?!
Of course I’m happy, but I’m also a little confused. Please help me…
Pleased with the opportunity to help out, I explained:
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They see you as in their league so they are more bold in checking you out than they would be with a woman who wasn’t in their league. You are at the intersection of the male and female curves for sexual attractiveness. Young women are the rockstars of the dating world, while young men are fairly low in the pecking order. As women age their attractiveness declines, while as men age their attractiveness tends to increase until around their mid 30s (where it starts to decline as well). As your attractiveness has declined, you now find yourself roughly at par with late teens/early twenties young men. See the article from OK Cupid linked in the sources for data on how age impacts attractiveness for men and women.
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Not my best work, but good enough for her to select it as best answer with a five star rating and the following comment:
Makes sense. I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao
Luckily for all men she doesn’t realize this is the last PLEASANT time for her to exit the carousel before she’s thrown from it. I’d feel sorry for the future ex husband and kids
For her, I doubt the end result will be pleasant
Yes, girl. *That* is obviously the best plan. What a brilliant and original solution…
And a future spinster is born.
The Shadowed Knight
Based on that response Leap, I’m not sure she will actually make it to that ex husband and kids. Well, maybe the kids part. But I agree that the end result will not be in her favor.
> as men age their attractiveness tends to increase until around their
> mid 30s (where it starts to decline as well)
Disagree. For some – not sure how many – it only starts to kick in at about that age, and maxes out closer to 50.
For some – not sure how many – it only starts to kick in at about that age, and maxes out closer to 50.
I think it depends on how well the man takes care of himself, how he carries himself and how dominant/confident he is. Testosterone seems to make it easier for men who put in the work to keep their SMV higher for much longer. Add good body language to that and confidence and it’s an unbeatable combination.
The only time, women really notice younger men, if she obviously has baby rabies
Hitting the wall & the tick tock of her barren womb, override’s her hypergamy, temporarily
Once she screws over the young guys, she uses the baby to attention whore to other women, raising her SMV, & the return of her hypergamy … the young guys become invisible & the search for the hunky handyman millionaire plumber is on …
Btw decent means fat … only a privileged first world priviliged carousel riding chick describes herself as decent …
Everyone else describes her as … ripe
@Stingray
Testosterone is the fuel of masculinity.
I will also say I know more 30 year olds that dress like women than those in their 20’s.
I suspect its not a generational thing but something to prop up their looks with some femininity.
But it works. I give those women more attention than those in their 20s with skrillx haircuts
“lmao” is barely better bimbo grammar than the very much overused “lol” over at Y!A, and I’m not impressed with the rest of her content either.
Dalrock, out of curiosity, have you thought about answering questions at Gender Studies, or are you content to stay at Marriage & Divorce?
Ethnicity can be a pretty big factor when it comes to aging. White women do not age as gracefully, in most cases. Mixed races tend to age the best.
Terrence Popp here from redonkulas.com and I have been tracking this very closly. I have been cruising the internet dating sites like POF, Zoosk, okcupid and match. I love how female think they are still dealing with odds like they were 18. You see they decide who they FU** “upgrade with” and we loose that battle all day long, but we decide when and if we marry, so in the end we win the war. I am 44 and date a wide range on women from about 28 to 42 and rarely touch anything close to my age and if I do they better be wrapped tight. All in all I probably run through 4 to 6 women a year and I am not even trying. Its all the same story with there X, “we grew apart” “I fell out of love”, ” or he was all wrong for me”. once I here this I know if they can gut there X then they can do it to me. So I hang out until I get tired and punch out, or run silent. We men have to much to loose to play the love game. I find myself unwilling to risk my pension, my money, my property on a 64% chance of failure in a 2nd marriage. Plus they think a 40+ man will risk such things on there diminishing looks and prospects. Maybe I am jaded by my evisceration in family court and the rear exit ass raping I took from friend of the court. I started out with a NON profit called secondclasscitizen.org, which I still run but the stories are all doom and gloom. I now attack the issues with comedy. by my calculations a 40 year old woman has a 20% chance of pulling a dude if she is attractive and brings money to the table. 45 year old woman has a 5% chance it is a steep cut off for them and they just refuse to see it. My next video divorce bank has been shot and is now being edited. I assure you it will be funny, educational and shows the math behind the lunacy of todays marriage. I wish you all well, a happy life be it alone or entangled. and dalrock thanks for the blog I have a few ideas for videos from here keep up the good work, you use words i use video.
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grinnincolossus, I agree. Asians tend to age slower than white people. For asian women, it’s great. For asian men, it may not necessarily be as great since you can be 25 and still look like you’re in high school and look, as it were, wet behind the ears. Still, exhibiting status, power, etc. can push you up a notch with that “boyish” charm (look at the tsarnaev kid and all the women falling head over heels for him…or hell, even edward from Twilight).
“I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao”
Or, you know, get one and keep him, so you aren’t alone when you hit 50, 60, and 70. But it’s your call.
Burn out the last of it! Haha.
It’s become known in society that women over 30 are accessible. That’s the only logical explanation. Today’s thirty somethings are not like the women of yesteryear.
I came of age in the 90’s exiting college/law school in the early 2000’s. It was NOT normal adolescents/young men to size up a 30+ year old women. They were invisible. Guys were too busy pining on women there own age; trying/wanting to get laid and going through the motions. A few years difference was normal. 10 years was ultra rare. 30+ year old women were simply not on the menu
Yes, there were isolated instances, of course. There always has been. Hence the term “Mrs. Robinson”. But they were exceptions to the rule. It was simply not socially normal for young men to check out 30+ year old women in the manner she describes.
@ Adsignatos D
Even notice how you hardly ever see white women with Asian men? It’s more common to see a white man with a black women. Here is Los Angeles there is a huge Asian population. Yet the last time I remember seeing a white women with an Asian man was perhaps, 3 years ago. And I’ve seen every microsm of humanity in between. Before that, the only time I say a white women was in the airport after I missed my flight. Watching thousands of people go by. I noticed a redhead with an Asian man. Let’s see. That was, five years ago? So basically, 2 couples in 5 years in Los Angeles the second most population metropolis in the country and most diverse city in the world (where all the white people are segregated by Real Estate).
@Michael – Yes, it’s usually the other way around; I see much more Asian women with white men. I have heard over at Roissy’s place, if I remember correctly, that white women tend not to go outside their race…at least more so than other ethnicities (barring white trash).
For a lot of men most ONS/FB they had before say 22-23 were with older women.
Wasn’t a serious question. It was self aggrandizement, nothing more
I think the was Rollo’s pop fly. But keep finding ways to get your message out.
I was at a work gala event last fall, and one of my female colleagues (divorced) was entering into the dating scene.
I don’t know her age, but I’d guess mid-40’s easily. This woman would have been a 5 in her prime, and much lower now 20 years hence. About the only physical trait she had going on was she wasn’t obese. (My bad for discriminating, as obesity has now been classified as a ‘disease’….talk about enabling the problem).
She was complaining to the other women in the group that all the men are looking for younger women & models. There was a certain amount of acknowledgement from the other girls in the group that this was indeed so (no shit).
Women will bemoan men’s choices all day long, while simultaneously holding on tight to their husband ‘requirements list’ with both hands. I’d have LOVED to ask what she was looking for in a man…..as I’m sure it was the classic 6 feet tall, 6 figure salary, and then a list of puffy adjectives that makes the leading 2 items part of the grand ‘feminist soup’.
I just kept my big yap shut: the only thing in it for me to speak the truth was a trip to the H/R office for sensitivity training.
I have heard over at Roissy’s place, if I remember correctly, that white women tend not to go outside their race…at least more so than other ethnicities (barring white trash).
And when they do it isn’t typically with Asian guys. The ones who *do* interracial dating do it with black guys and latinos, generally not Asians.
Interracial dating is a ting phenomenon nationally, still, but because it is slightly more common in the coastal blue cities and is pushed by the media, it seems to be a topic of endless fascination. Among the tiny phenomenon of interracial dating there is a hierarchy for each sex.
For men the hierarchy is white –> black –> latino –> asian (perhaps in some places flipping the latinos and the black guys)..
For women the hierarchy is white–> asian -> latina –> black.
And of course, overall, apart from the apex alphas, white women under, say, 28 are the rockstars of the dating market. So basically, if you are a black woman or an asian man, you’d better find someone of your own race, or you are screwed. And finding someone of your own race can be a pain when a significant number of Asian women and black men are dating out, because they can. As much as white guys complain about the market, it’s much better for white guys than it is for Asian guys or black women. But,of course, it’s much better for white women than it is for anyone else other than the small group of apex alphas.
Makes sense. I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao
*SIGH*…. yes, the best antidote for riding the carousel is… MORE CAROUSEL!! Genius!
@Novaseeker – I don’t know whether you can answer this but it’s worth a try. I’ve been lately quite ticked off by US American intervention, say government, NGO or corporate, in other places worldwide. They are trying to bring their cultural and ethnic norms there.
This may be my personal, limited exceptional experience but the USA is on a very different plane when it comes to interracial and inter-ethnic stuff. Black men there have too much power and status there thanks to the “one drop rule” and laws which banned interracial marriage.
While most prefer their own nations, countries, ethnicities and races, I have noticed that in Central-America, the caste system resembles the following more when it comes to men:
White men at the top SES (upper-class), followed by some Asians
Mestizos and mulattos in-between and making up the vast working to middle-class
Full-blooded Amerindians and African blacks at the bottom (underclass)
I’m a biracial woman and one thing I have seen in the USA that I almost never see other places, is the amount of mixed women with dark black African men. Where I come from it’s considered a huge shame for the family to marry and have children with a black and it’s considered “marrying down”. But “marrying up” and have lighter and more European children, say a mixed woman (a mestiza Hispanic woman or some mulatta) with a white man coupling, is seen as good.
Where I come from mixed men with mixed women are typical, following closely with trying to get some Christian middle-class white man.
I know some mixed who married and sired children with a Portuguese, another one is at France and others seem to dig European.
Asian men aren’t a bad choice either. So, in my perspective, the male hierarchy is more like White –> Hispanic or Asian –> Amerindian –> Black
Apologies, I meant “Central-South America”. Anyhow, I’ve arrived in the USA and African-American men seem almost like vultures around me. To me, it’s quite disturbing and almost a shame to see this. Yes, I sound arrogant, stupid, racist, etc but this just shows me again how I’m not a US American at all and should not reside there.
I never understood why Asian men are considered “losers” in the USA. What’s wrong with them?
The age-band in which she finds herself is exceptionally DTF. The younger ones have partially figured it out and aren’t rising the carousel in such large numbers. The men in her age-band have trained the younger men based on the behavior of the women in that age-band, which has produced the mismatch on the younger end noted by Susan Walsh among others.
My theory on why Susan walked back what she originally accepted from those men.
Anyhow, coming back to the topic (hope I didn’t derail the thread), great answer to her question concerning age and attractiveness.
White men at the top SES (upper-class), followed by some Asians
Mestizos and mulattos in-between and making up the vast working to middle-class
Full-blooded Amerindians and African blacks at the bottom (underclass)
I’m a biracial woman and one thing I have seen in the USA that I almost never see other places, is the amount of mixed women with dark black African men. Where I come from it’s considered a huge shame for the family to marry and have children with a black and it’s considered “marrying down”. But “marrying up” and have lighter and more European children, say a mixed woman (a mestiza Hispanic woman or some mulatta) with a white man coupling, is seen as good.
Where I come from mixed men with mixed women are typical, following closely with trying to get some Christian middle-class white man.
I know some mixed who married and sired children with a Portuguese, another one is at France and others seem to dig European.
Asian men aren’t a bad choice either. So, in my perspective, the male hierarchy is more like White –> Hispanic or Asian –> Amerindian –> Black
It varies by country quite a bit, but Brazil seems to resemble what you are describing very much so, yes.
In the US, as you say, people who look somewhat black (facial characteristics, hair, etc.) are considered “black”. It’s also the case among American blacks that lighter skinned women are generally considered prettier, and there is a similar yet more muted hierarchy among black guys in some contexts (not as strong as it is among black women). But white/black interracial dating of any kind (even with biracials) is relatively tiny in the US. You see more of it in the lower classes (not married, with black baby daddies) and then you see some of it in the UMC SES where the black guys (because it’s almost always black guys and not black women who are in interracial relationships here) are not culturally very black. The QB of the Washington Redskins, for example, is as black as the ace of spades but culturally he’s pretty UMC and doesn’t act or speak “American black” … and his wife, who was his college GF, is lily-white. That’s not common, but it can happen where the black guy in question is not really culturally black in terms of not conforming to black cultural standards in the US (used to be called “oreos”, derisively by race-conscious blacks, after the popular cookie — i.e,. black on the outside and white on the inside). I know one colleague at work who is a UMC black guy, a senior exec, and his wife is white. But these situations are not common because there are not many black guys who are like that, overall.
I never understood why Asian men are considered “losers” in the USA. What’s wrong with them?
They don’t conform to the standards of masculinity desired by American women, generally. There are exceptions, but they tend to be too small physically, not muscled enough, and not charming/Game enough. They are a bad fit here. Whereas Asian women, being more feminine than American white women are, on average (not more submissive, but more feminine in presentation), are highly desired by whites. Often the WM/AW relationships are not counted in people’s minds when they think of “interracial” relationships, because in the US the first thing that comes to mind with that word is white and black — Asian are considered to be (wrongly in my view, but this is how it is perceived generally anyway) similar enough to whites to not be “really” interracial as compared to a white/black pairing.
Thanks for the answer. Appreciated.
Empathalogicalism
Wasn’t a serious question. It was self aggrandizement, nothing more
Exactly. A text version of her cell-camming a selfie at the bar with a younger man’s arm around her.
“Lookat ME, beyotches, teh hawt young mens still want ME!”.
By chance this very subject came up between myself and my friend in the pub as recently as this Thursday evening just passed. My friend was telling me (as we eyed up the slim Czech teenage barmaid) that when he was in his early twenties he was keenest on women in their thirties [read: could not pull chicks his own age or younger]. He attempted to justify this by saying that older women are more experienced and know what they want. (one learns ones cooking on old pans, so to speak). Why then, I enquired, are your wife (a 7) and your ex (a perfect 9) before her, both fourteen years younger than you?
Sleeping with younger men is the equivalent of painting go-faster stripes on your ancient Ford Escort. No one is fooled, but the woman trades off the risk of gaining a reputation for desperation and slut-dom as against the pleasure – and women will read sex as love – and validation of her desirability. The lady at Yahoo answers is about to embark on this course of validation, methinks.
I lived in Korea for a year. No shortage of masculine Korean dudes. Take won do is lame as lame gets but stil. Did some stuff in the Philippines. Same thing, no shortage of hard core little mother fuckers. Thailand? How many dudes want to get in the ring with them little bastards? Fought some Japs when I was still doing MMA…
Not sure why they are so rare here.
I wonder why mid-30’s Angelica hasn’t married yet. Any guesses?
Angelica, good idea. Time to develop that 1,000-cock stare you couldn’t get in your 20’s.
TFH knows the reason for this.
Quite possibly Angelica rode the carousel, delayed marriage, or did both.
@desiderius
Good to see you. How’s it going? Stop by my new blog (in my link and written by others as well) and say hi to Ted and other guys you’ll have known from before.
…..no shortage of hard core little mother fuckers
Not sure why they are so rare here.
The recent arrivals tend to have the highest intelligence and the most beta traits. The Asian equivalent of the intercity gang banger isn’t going to get into an American college or an H1-B.
Makes sense. I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao
This is what her brain considers a logical response???
Rather than thinking, “Oh. I should probably take this opportunity to land a husband while it still may be relatively easy for me to do so”, she thinks, “Oooh, I can sleep with more hot young guys.”
Utterly and completely stupid. *shakes head*.
alcestiseshtemoa, where are you from? I am White Southern European but I live in Central America so I’m curious. Central or South America?
But, anyway, you are completely entitled to hide your country for privacy reasons.
Opus
Sleeping with younger men is the equivalent of painting go-faster stripes on your ancient Ford Escort.
Quote of the day….
Central or South America?
But, anyway, you are completely entitled to hide your country for privacy reasons.
I’m South American. I was replying to other posters, and I didn’t originally bring up any of the points (if anybody was asking, I didn’t bring up race here, somebody else did… peace out).
Congratulations on the best answer Dalrock.
They see you as in their league so they are more bold in checking you out than they would be with a woman who wasn’t in their league.
That’s what I thought about Angelica too.
OK, thank you, alcestiseshtemoa, for the answer. I was just curious. Greetings from Central America
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An excellent graph on the decline in male employment .(3rd graph in article)
@alcestiseshtemoa:
I think you ran into two things, here in the States.
1) We don’t have a traditional “class” system, regardless of how much the Collectivists want to enforce one. The closer demarcation of “class” in the country is the way you approach Money and the levels of Self-Control. This is due to the consumerist nature of the Culture in general, as saying in a certain “class” bracket requires constantly amounts of money. There is no racial lines to fall back on or class structure setup from many years ago.
Further, our system lacks the ability to play “Class Defense”. As much as the New York-DC axis is attempting to setup that up, all of the advantage in our system is to the aggressive ones that understand the systems. Most of the advantages the UMC “have” is down to character traits and knowledge of the systems, not actual “class” structural supports. (It makes the economy far more efficient, minus government stupidity)
2) Given where you’re from, the guys in Southern Cal are more aggressive because you fit the profile of an “easy mark”. Just the nature of things. The SMP favors the aggressive and you fall into the category of “easier”. You have my sympathy.
Oh, side point: Asian men are shorter than Whites, by a fair bit. I believe the Average Japanese Male is all of 1 inch taller than the Average US Female. And height matters to most Women. Don’t underplay that. (Asian Men also carry between 10-20 pounds less muscle than the average White Male, which also makes a difference)
Slarg Targ I have to say makes sense but no since the usa is full of dumb ass thrid worlders.
I wonder why mid-30′s Angelica hasn’t married yet. Any guesses?
My guess: She’s a fairly average girl that put out, or even lived with a guy out of her league, for years on end.
When the inevitable happened, instead of reconsidering her approach she maintained her disdain for beta men by refusing to lower her standards.
This is why associative mating works. And why the sexual revolution did not benefit most men, or women.
My guess: She’s a fairly average girl that put out, or even lived with a guy out of her league, for years on end.
Often times it doesn’t even start out that the guy is above her level, but after a few years and a promotion or two it ends up that way.
In order for such a live-in arrangement to work out and end up in marriage they both have to stay at the same level for years.
1. If he becomes unemployed, looses status, or gets upstaged by a new alpha in town, the man gets the boot.
2. If she either gets fat or he starts moving up in the world he is free to leave.
Perhaps more important than getting someone in one’s own league, assortative-mating marriage locks in the decision.
1) We don’t have a traditional “class” system, regardless of how much the Collectivists want to enforce one. The closer demarcation of “class” in the country is the way you approach Money and the levels of Self-Control. This is due to the consumerist nature of the Culture in general, as saying in a certain “class” bracket requires constantly amounts of money. There is no racial lines to fall back on or class structure setup from many years ago.
So basically you are a straight up liar or fool.
Which is it?
Novaseeker: “For men the hierarchy is white –> black –> latino –> asian (perhaps in some places flipping the latinos and the black guys)..”
Don’t know where you are getting this from. Black is always on the bottom.
For men the hierarchy is white –> latino –> asian –> black.
I have lived all over the country, and unless some guy was slumming it, whites never want a black.
I have lived all over the country, and unless some guy was slumming it, whites never want a black.
Derp. That is the hierarchy of MEN. The hierarchy of WOMEN has black women at the bottom.
Read before you post.
Yes, the bit about Asian men not being as masculine relative to Whites and Blacks make sense. I have a good chunk of Native Hawaiian alongside being Japanese, so I have the propensity and structure to build muscle with a rather gruff looking face. For the pure Japanese man, he only really can afford to pragmatically marry “in-race”, as some have stated. Which isn’t a bad thing, but better to go with a meek woman actually from that Asian/oriental country rather than their Americanized-Feminized sisters in the West (who can be summed up, I suppose, by the repugnant imbecile that is Margaret Cho).
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Looking at the article that Dalrock linked to in his response to this woman on Yahoo, I find it strange that the middle-aged women at okcupid don’t target men 10+ years older than they are.
I mean, if men want younger women, why do women insist on only considering men roughly their same age?
Slargtarg,
If he becomes unemployed, loses status, or gets upstaged by a new alpha in town, the man gets the boot.
Labour markets have always been dynamic, more so as technology changes. But interventionism and heavy regulation of the labour market has resulted in credentialism, which makes it so much more difficult to change jobs and careers.
The state sponsored corporatocracy results in most small businesses failing. They are uncompetitive and spend too much time meeting red tape requirements.
As someone who has had to change careers, adapt and constantly learn new skills, all i will say is it makes a constant income stream that much harder to ensure. And given most womens complete lack of empathy, most men get no respect for their efforts. Particularly when ms average can go get a nothing government job, think shes awesome, look at her man and ask: how hard can this be?
why do women insist on only considering men roughly their same age?
Answer: solipsistic projection. Women subscribe to the apex fallacy and believe that all men have had the same kind of affirmation and attention that they did. As such, when they fall off the carousel, they believe that men the same age must also now want to settle down after falling off the relationship carousel.
Since woman believe most men also got that same affirmation and attention (they are the oppressors, after all), the women believes that an older single man must therefore have been rejected by team woman as unsuitable. He therefore is labelled as creepy, and all her friends are socialised to disdain him.
Significant age gaps once considered quite normal are now shunned.
@an observer – So basically these women believe that men are like them and age like milk rather than wine? 🙂
Significant age gaps once considered quite normal are now shunned.
So…about the theotokos…
Her time would be better spent with an older man who would love, cherish, and care for her, if she proved herself worthy.
@Slarg @Observer
“If he becomes unemployed, loses status, or gets upstaged by a new alpha in town, the man gets the boot.
Labour markets have always been dynamic, more so as technology changes. But interventionism and heavy regulation of the labour market has resulted in credentialism, which makes it so much more difficult to change jobs and careers.
The state sponsored corporatocracy results in most small businesses failing. They are uncompetitive and spend too much time meeting red tape requirements.”
Also, being an independent businessman is made that much harder when municipalities artificially inflate the commercial real estate market through zoning laws. (supply and demand) Just another way to keep the man slaving away at work for his overlords.
basically these women believe that men are like them and age like milk rather than wine?
Women only see a very small percentage of men as attractive. These high value men get all the female attention and sex they want. Most men are literally invisible, icky betas who become creepy
when they offend the princesses overvalued self estimations.
Women would rather ride a heady carousel of attention and affirmation than face the realism of associative mating. And too many men still man up and marry the sluts to change female behaviour. But this may be changing.
Wine too, will eventually go off. But too many men settle for warming milk.
Lfm,
Regulatory madness means you often cannot sell food made in your own kitchen. You must buy and install expensive commercial kitchen equipment, get an inspection, pay an annual permit etc.
The types of business able to be conducted in urban areas is highly restricted. Yet, run the right sort of business and the officials look the other way, apparently.
For example, some years ago, enterprising neighbours ran a whorehouse from home. Although there was no heavy machinery involved, It certainly increased the street traffic.
“Also, in London, we see a huge number of such couples.”
I must move in the wrong circles. Desis are invariably hooked up to each other. It’s quite noticeable. Probably a close cousin from whichever remote stan or backwater rural shtetl the whole lot seem to hail from. Indo-Pak, Chinese(or thereabouts) men & Brit women, it’s something you just don’t see. Why? I have no idea.
3rd/4th gen. West Indian (i.e.fairly acculturated) and (educated, non-warcriminal/illegal immigrant) Africans OTOH (medical students, civil servants, that sort of thing) do get local wives, and nobody raises an eyebrow. The funny thing with the Af-Caribbeans is, as they muck in with the natives more and more, each successive generation becomes less and less black. They’ll just disappear into the background in a few more iterations. Only constant topping-up by immigration can keep British Blacks even halfway black lol.
Right, back to the real business of life “… drives uppishly to short extra covah … aend theah’s .. neow .. run …”. The sun has got his hat on, Day Five looks to be epic, nailed-on. There are times when I almost wish I was English. Almost.
(NAWALT but a lot more than you’d like Are)
@John
“I mean, if men want younger women, why do women insist on only considering men roughly their same age?”
Because women don’t believe that what men actually want counts for anything. Such men are biased / judgemental / bigoted etc. fat acceptance, men don’t like strong independent women, men are immature.
It’s all about ‘her’, what she wants. She generally believes that she deserves what she wants (‘666’), which is why she’ll feel it’s reasonable strategy to sleep with such a guy in order to get the relationship that she wants (eventually marriage which delivers extra financial securities for the people that count (her) in all events). When the shacking up doesn’t lead to marriage on her schedule, then it is reality being ‘unfair’, not that she was deluded all along. Nothing seems to rile women more than ‘unfairness’ (men should read that as ‘reality’). In such situations they will demand that men’s inherent sexuality be re-wired to suit women, while theirs is the higher sexuality.
@Tam the Bam
As I always say, and as everyone knows there are only two sorts of people in the world; those who are English and those who want to be English, and it is clear that you are and must forever remain in the latter class. Further, I really don’t think that Americans and Canadians can be expected to understand such concepts as Short Extra Cover.
The West Indians aren’t too bad as they are always pleased to let you know that they are a quarter or an eighth white – Kenny Lynch, Sidney Poitier, people like that.
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Sex on Campus: She Can Play That Game, Too
@Nova, @Alcestis,
what drives interracial marriage? Muscularity, and body fat. the classic article is by Steve Sailer, Is Love Colorblind?, in which the surest predictor of interracial dating is a 10% difference in body fat. so, Black men average 12%, white women 22%, white men 15%, Asian women 25%, This leaves black women and Asian men the losers in the interracial pairings. that really is a superb first source for understanding some of the dynamics involved.
“I’m decent, not drop dead gorgeous, by any means” = “I’m at best a 3, not a 4 or 5 by any means”
Did You Know? : The average American single woman has had sex MORE TIMES with men who are not her husband than the average American prostitute.
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Dalrock,
Started reading Group of Solomon after a link from an article on Return of Kings titled “The Best Manosphere Blog you’ve Never Heard of.” It’s been a great read so far. Your writing style has changed a bit since then (seems like a different author, though with the same core principles) I wanted to ask your opinion on a thought related to a portion I just read “Proverb 16: Mistakes and the Women who Love them”
I quote:
“As she sat there talking to me, her loins yearning for a bad boy pole to explode inside her and save her from the beta fiancée who gave her a ring but fell short on the butterflies, I began thinking about “mistakes”. What exactly is a mistake in girl terms? I mean, even a toddler is smart enough to stop touching a hot stove after the first or second burn, but a woman will make the same mistakes in rapid succession year after year after year.
Then it dawned on me:
Action yielding a desirable reaction = success Action yielding an undesirable reaction = mistake
Any logical, rational man can agree with the basic premise of this simplistic
breakdown. Sure, we can say women make mistakes over and over again for years on end because they’re devoid of logic and rational ability, but that simply isn’t true. Women are smart, cunning, and laser focused when it comes to getting what they want. In the example above with my friend Melanie, spending 11 years as a professional party girl wasn’t a mistake at all. It yielded her the results she desired: popularity, gina tingle, excitement, wild sex, and adventure.
Then why would she refer to them as mistakes?
The answer is simple. It wasn’t a mistake, or shall I say her actions didn’t yield undesirable reactions, until she shifted her focus in life. When she decided to settle down and was surprised that a nice guy beta boy was unable to bring tingles to her over stimulated ransacked vagina, she viewed her past as a mistake.
Example: On Mel’s facebook page right now – somewhere down in her “summer 200X” photo album, she’s in a lake on a guy’s shoulders holding a beer. A second guy is reaching up behind her trying to untie her bikini top, and a third guy is grabbing the front of her top and trying to pull it off.
She’s all smiles as the rest of the group cheers around her.
She doesn’t view that lifestyle as a mistake. In fact, she documented it and posted it for the world to see. So what we have here is:
Action yielding a desirable reaction = success. Success not fitting in with your new and improved persona = mistake. In this scenario, one could argue that mistake = excuse.
That’s why men should reject the “everyone makes mistakes” argument from a woman when he’s interested in a long term relationship. She tries to play it off that in retrospect, her actions were wrong and she’s changed, but all it really is an excuse. Yes, that really IS who she is, and yes she really IS that type of girl. Otherwise she would have course corrected years ago. But she didn’t.
Men, it’s not our job to be gallant White Knights perched upon noble steeds rushing in to save women from their actions – even if she labels those actions as mistakes. She has revealed her character. My friend Mel is a great girl, a good person, and a wonderful friend, but she’s also been tagged by every douche bag musician in town.”
“She didn’t make “mistakes”. She made decisions”
This touches on some things I believe I’ve been struggling to reconcile in my mind for a while. I’m 28 and have been moving around and without a lot of stability for a few years. My family has stepped in and offered guidance along the way which I’ve accepted to a degree. They are Christians and I am not. At times I’m tempted to view my life thus far as a series of mistakes. Yet I can’t come to see them as such. When I was up I felt no guilt over decisions I’ve made. When down I should feel the same way.
It would appear people would see being down as evidence I should feel otherwise… though it seems I may only fall or remain down by taking these opinions seriously in the first place (having a snowball effect). Not only that, but it appears I’ve begun shitting down others throats in the same way. (Down and out so find other even more down and out people and proceed to shit all over their lifestyle). Poison.
I find the idea of repentance or reframing a partying or lazy lifestyle dishonest and will likely only create more dissonance. I made decisions and got desired results. It’s just that I’m not in college anymore.
So, Dalrock. This comment seems long and maybe poorly put together, but my questions for you are these:
1.Do you have any idea what I’m getting at?
2. Is there any shame in being a Christian and repenting of sins (mistakes) one did (and do and will likely continue to do) willfully but just didn’t get the desired success… or did get the outcome one wanted, but it doesn’t fit into a “new and improved persona”? I think this is usually what the church is fighting when potential adherents cry hypocrisy.
3. Can a man deal with the frame control of others knowing deep down, even if it’s friends and family, the only reason they are doing it at all is biological. They want to boost their status to keep their wives from fucking other guys. They want to fuck other women. Or in the case of female relatives, to destroy your chances thus eliminating possible competitive anxiety. Can this behavior be risen above. It can be hard to partake in all this.
Again, I started out with a different comment in mind, but constructing it sort of pushed it out of my mind. Hopefully a general idea of what I’m getting at is coming through. It’s shameful to me to draw myself into the I made a mistake game when I know it’s not the case.
Makes sense. I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao
You really should thank her for this comment, for confirming as correct our views on female hypergamy. She has done the manosphere a great service.
Kate said:
[Angelica’s] time would be better spent with an older man who would love, cherish, and care for her, IF SHE PROVED HERSELF WORTHY.
Angelica, in response to Dalrock’s Yahoo reply:
I better go out an get as many of these guys as i can before I hit 40 lmao
I think we have our answer to the question of “worthiness.” /*facepalm*/ /*eyeroll*/
I’ll let her buy me an iced tea and chocolate chunk cookie at Starbucks.
“I’m decent, not drop dead gorgeous, by any means”
Translation: I was always pretty average, and age isn’t doing me any favours.
Too many choc chunk cookies. More gym and makeup required. .
I can’t believe no one has said this yet regarding the rarity of white women/Asian men coupling.
An ex-boyfriend told me (former military) that white men are gods in South Korea because, on average, they have at least 3+ inches in the trouser area when compared to Koreans (and Asians). Most Western women have been on the carousel so long that Asian men wouldn’t be able to pleasure them near as much as their white/black paramours.
I would have answered ” You obviously have a large rack”.
It’s because single women of that age and older have legs like elevator doors. Hit the right button, “you’re so sexy, my Gawd yer Hawt!, How can a woman your age look hotter then a twenty year old, excetera” , and their legs open just like an elevator door.
Why waste time on bitches your own age, when you can have all the poontang you want with a still semi hot slut a few years older?
@TFH
I regret to say that I regard your last paragraph as beyond contempt.
Any one advocating genocide like tfh is pure evil
The way the English have embraced feminism and misandry if what TFH is describing is happening then the English people have it coming to them. It is pure voluntary it isn’t like some tuff guys came in and kicked their asses and forced them into anything. The Spearhead recently had an article about a “white” Englishman that was getting the family law bullshit and he is gone to Australia with his “white” daughter. So if there is a shortage of white faces in the UK so what they did it to themselves and from the looks of things nothing is going to be done to correct the trend.
ooh er it’s all kicking off round here! All I said was I don’t see it. Maybe it’s all happening in one particular town, like Leicester or something.
The “pasty” thing is on current thinking a regional genetic sweep of very recent origin, caused by inadequate nutrition, and a switch of either subsistence method (if you prefer to believe that locals took up exotic practices like arable and stock-keeping), or keeping on a traditional economic regimen in a grossly unsuitable climate (if you tend towards the “wandering shitkickers from the Near East” model of population replacement with the advent of agriculture).
Presumably the Mesolithic foragers of northern Europe may, or may not, have been the color of lard, or peanut butter, or liquorice. No paleogenetic samples have yielded sufficient information to nail it yet. They did eat shedloads of fish, marine algae, shellfish, red meat and so on, so their diet partly relieved them from the physical and mental problems associated with having to wear heavy clothing all day, and staying indoors in heavy rain, with the sun only popping up briefly to about 10 degrees for a few hours in the winter (and being completely obscured by thick cloud cover, or fog, from April to November).
All knocked for six when the farmers rocked up with their pets and seeds. Either expelled, merged in by means voluntary or involuntary, or simply swapped over to the new paradigm wholesale (each scenario of increasing unlikelihood IMO). A few years later, kaboom! Population slams into Malthusian Limits due to runaway success. The 4 Horsemen make their inevitable appearance.
Reliably foul climate and exotic hot/dryland cultivars and animals (cereals and goaty/sheepy livestock, pigs, cows make a bad mix. Repeated crop failures ensure that only those who carry two bizarre and non-deleterious (in the new environment, that is!) mutations breed with any certitude of survival.
(1) Retained lactose tolerance (means you can get by, following your herd of cows through the limitless, trackless woods, and feeding on the meat very very occasionally, but mostly keeping it going, and parasitizing off the raw milk and basic cottage-cheese type muck) All the while being chased by hostile warbands of similarly desperate and starving failed farmers. Stopping to make proper cheese and yogurt might prove fatal!)
(2) Almost complete depigmentation, verging on and passing into albinism. Even when times were “good” and the harvest could be gathered, the starvation diet caused by everyone playing nice and just getting along together, being cereal-based, meant all sorts of congenital disorders due to the permanent atmospheric regime of damp, cold and near-darkness, and lack of vitD and all the rest of it.
Mainly rickets. Sure, your bandy-legged daughter, but apart from that a fine nut-brown maiden, may get an equally handicapped man (just like everyone else round here, ain’t that a coinkydink?). But those hips mean she’s going to die in childbed. Every single time.
All apart from Yogurtina, the Cave-fish Girl. She may not be particularly tanned and healthy-looking, by by the gods she’s got massive norks and fine child-bearing hips! Giggity!).
All of which is a tedious way of stating that being almost transparent in the archipelagos of the north-eastern Atlantic does have its very considerable advantages when times are tight, and dietary supplements (raw dairy, and vitamins laced into just about every conceivable processed foodstuff, by government diktat) are unavailable.
For example, until last week, I literally can’t remember a dry, sunny day that didn’t have snow on the ground. Insolation to exposed dermis = approximately nil. And it was like that for maybe the last five years. Gave up trying to grow even salad, as all the plants started rotting off at the top about midsummer each year, due to cold (45-55 degs, in July), and permanent downpour of rain which had only unfrozen in the last few hundred feet of its (gale-assisted) trajectory. Weird side effect is that there are hardly any insects about this year. So hard times for the smaller birds etc.(unless they like slugs).
It may not have had such a decorative and aesthetic result as the run-of-the mill human, but I for one will be rather grateful for the unthinking bigotry of my stone age ancestors in their mate-choices (although I could seriously have done totally without the ginger hair thing. WTF is that all about? S’pose I could shave it off though)). It’ll come in pretty damn’ handy for my kids, or theirs, one day, when the gravy-trains stop rolling round here. Everybody else’ll have to bugger off to Marbella LOL.
Right, can’t sit about chatting all day, it’s fantastic out there, no wind to speak of and scorchio! Got to get out and peel off as much kit as I dare (no neighbors, apart from The Farmer) and crank up a heap of carbonized random meats. Purely for my health, you understand. Screw the “you’ll get skincancer” nannies. Ain’t gonna happen. I’m at the latitude of the Alaska Panhandle, not Andalucia.
The Spearhead recently had an article about a “white” Englishman that was getting the family law bullshit and he is gone to Australia with his “white” daughter.
Oh, geez, now THERE’S a real genius. As if Australia, or anywhere else in the English-speaking western world, isn’t as saturated in misandric , anti-white, PC nazi-statism as is Britain.
Just saw this posted in a private forum: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=776657
Seems strangely relevant to recent posts and discussions on this blog and others.
@ feeriker: She was probably trying to salvage her pride with that remark. She likely doesn’t know there is another option.
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Could it be instead that the men feel she is ‘experienced’, unattached, and willing to ‘put out’ on the first date? I mean mid 30s?
It’s simpler than you all think. Sexiness and hotness are different. It’s how you act and conduct yourself. Married women, alot of them it seems, feel they can’t let loose sexually. Like their husbands will think them whores. Or like “I can’t do THAT with my kids’ father, and then see him and he kids in the morning.” Like they will fear that their husbands won’t respect them or something.
So a women in her 30’s knows what she wants and really wants it. So a younger guy will know he’s getting his sexual equal, in terms of interest. Guys don’t want a blow up doll with a pulse. In other words justifying there and what not isnt very interesting or fun. An older women who gets with a younger guy, she wants it and wants to be unleashed. That’s the thing.
Agreed on races aging differently. My wife is Filipina and 47 and looks much younger. She has female relatives in their 50s, 60s and even 70s with the skin of teenagers. And I know I am going to get some brickbats thrown at me here, but its the truth. Filipina women almost never put on weight at they age either. Of her big extended family I have only met three women, sisters actually, whom one would describe asoverweight and they were just “chunky” not obese.
Kipling has a poem complaining, from a young woman’s point of view, that all the young men to whom she’s attracted are chasing the resident cougar, leaving nobody interested in her because she’s only seventeen. Likewise, it was notorious in medieval and even Roman times that a young man would usually fall in love first with an older woman, and only later notice girls or women his own age. (And there aren’t that many same-age teenage girls who are pinups on teenage boys’ walls.) So this isn’t new. Don’t blame modern patterns on something age-old.
Found the Kipling poem! It’s even cougar-ier than I remembered!
My Rival
by Rudyard Kipling
I go to concert, party, ball —
What profit is in these?
I sit alone against the wall
And strive to look at ease.
The incense that is mine by right
They burn before her shrine;
And that’s because I’m seventeen
And She is forty-nine.
I cannot check my girlish blush,
My color comes and goes;
I redden to my finger-tips,
And sometimes to my nose.
But She is white where white should be,
And red where red should shine.
The blush that flies at seventeen
Is fixed at forty-nine.
I wish I had Her constant cheek;
I wish that I could sing
All sorts of funny little songs,
Not quite the proper thing.
I’m very gauche and very shy,
Her jokes aren’t in my line;
And, worst of all, I’m seventeen
While She is forty-nine.
The young men come, the young men go
Each pink and white and neat,
She’s older than their mothers, but
They grovel at Her feet.
They walk beside Her ‘rickshaw wheels —
None ever walk by mine;
And that’s because I’m seventeen
And She is foty-nine.
She rides with half a dozen men,
(She calls them “boys” and “mashers”)
I trot along the Mall alone;
My prettiest frocks and sashes
Don’t help to fill my programme-card,
And vainly I repine
From ten to two A.M. Ah me!
Would I were forty-nine!
She calls me “darling,” “pet,” and “dear,”
And “sweet retiring maid.”
I’m always at the back, I know,
She puts me in the shade.
She introduces me to men,
“Cast” lovers, I opine,
For sixty takes to seventeen,
Nineteen to foty-nine.
But even She must older grow
And end Her dancing days,
She can’t go on forever so
At concerts, balls and plays.
One ray of priceless hope I see
Before my footsteps shine;
Just think, that She’ll be eighty-one
When I am forty-nine.
Here ya go, suburbanbanshee:
49?
Sorry. No.
Never in all of my adult life (17-41) have I ever been attracted to a woman who was 49 years old (or hell, even 45). Moreover, I don’t know a single one of my friends who have either.
Women are simply not sexually attractive at that age. Loose skin. Dry hair. Turkey neck. Front butt. Gaaaaahhhh!
Gravity always wins and it has long since won the battle against most women by 40. 49? Kipling was a bed wetter with mommy issues.
Angelica asks: “In HS I was not the one these young, hot guys would typically chase after, so why am I getting this attention now?!”
I think the answer is young men at the peak of testosterone and sex drive just want sex. They focus on hints on whether a woman will put out or not. Women who drink a lot and act kind of slutty: winner! Good Christian girls: too much work. For most guys that age, chasing after women in their 30s is more likely to result in success than chasing women their own age. They also want younger women their own age, but average young guys face lots of competition. Once a young guy discovers a pattern that results in sexual success, he’s highly motivated to repeat it.
Later in life a man’s priorities may change with experience. The good girl that wouldn’t put out for the inexperienced young guy is now on the menu for the patient experienced older guy. The easy 30s and 40s women are also available, but now the older guy is seen as a potential “good provider” instead of Mr. Right Now. With lower hormone levels and more experience, the 30s and 40s guy is likely to be more selective. May be working through his sexual bucket list or may be looking to settle down, but the older guy is generally picking targets based on some other criteria than “easy”.
‘Sexiness’ means sexually attractive, actively seeks to attract the sexual desire of others in oneself.
‘Hotness’ or ‘hot’ means displaying desire for immediate sex.
If a female tells you otherwise, she’s (1) naive as an eight-year old or (2) a bitter clinger on the female charade of maintaining plausible deniability about her interest in sex. Don’t believe her.
“Not my best work, but good enough for her to select it as best answer with a five star rating ”
To be fair, your competition for that honor was mighty pathetic.
“Angelica asks: “In HS I was not the one these young, hot guys would typically chase after, so why am I getting this attention now?!””
-Ok Angelica. I’ll be honest with you.
The reason these strapping young “hot guys” are giving you attention is because women get hotter and hotter as they age. I mean less face it Angelica. Your approaching your sexual peak at 35! Guys can sense that. And that’s only one reason your now hotter than ever, But that’s not really the reason Angelica. It’s because your finally “hitting your stride” at 35.
Your a confident independent educated women who’s “been there done that” and now you “know what you want” and “won’t settle for less”. This is VERY arousing to men. Especially strapping young “hot guys”. As a matter of fact it’s one of the firsts things they see when they look at you! They say “look at confidence projected from her!” She is so independent! And probably very educated! It’s the very first thing they notice. You may notice a slight bulge in their pants as they stare. Try not to notice. They cannot help but conceal their erections toward you. The charisma is just too much to handle.
Your dating opportunities are just starting Angelica! And they’ve never been better! Your an awesome example to the few remaining good girls their early 20’s who “settled” for a husband and a family. Silly girls. That’s what they get for playing by the rules right? After all they missed becoming like YOU.
Your walk.
Your stride.
Your vibrations.
Men sense your age AND your strong confidence and charisma. You see Angelica: they know… that you know…. that you know ….that you know! Get it? And THAT is what really turns men on. Not just strapping young “hot guys” Angelia. All MEN. Raise your glass in victory! You never settled. And you prevailed! The dating world is your oyster!
And lets not forget the (ahem) (cough cough) sexual experience implications of being 35: At 35 and never married chances are you are *very* “experienced if you know what I mean *wink wink*. This is the key to really turning men on to long term committed relationships. The more men from your past the better!
EVERY man wants a women with “experience”. Especially strapping young hot guys. Don’t kid yourself Angelica. We ALL want to commit our mind body and hearts to the one everyone else had first when she was younger hotter and tighter. Who wants to train a fresh tight newbie? Certainly not me. It’s a hassle Angelica.
Stares from strapping young hot guys don’t lie Angelica. And as a confident, independent, educated 35 year old women; the most important thing to remember is this: Marriage is still yours for the taking! Not just with strapping young “hot guys”. But any guy lucky enough to meet your standards. So don’t be afraid to set that bar high Angelica: You deserve it!
young guy vs older woman= effortless sex, for both parties. It’s really not any more complicated than that.
@ 24 I was banging a 42 year old. All it took was the old line, “I find girls my age to be so immature.” She was sucking my cock 5 minutes later. Funny thing was, she had the tightest pussy I have ever banged, and bang it I did often!
I’m not sure where I heard this (may have been this site)……….but it abso-f*cking-lutely apples to this post:
“Men age like fine wine………Women age like MILK.”
Casey, less so now-a-days then in the past. With nutrition, boot camps, weights, etc., a lot of woman are aging quite nicely.
The problem is, is that they are still not maturing like our parents generation did.
@ Leo G
You must live in California……..the rest of the country is being over-run by FAT women (young & old alike).
@ Leo G
Agree with your comment on women’s maturity (or lack thereof.)
@ Leo
“@ 24 I was banging a 42 year old.” “Funny thing was, she had the tightest pussy I have ever banged, and bang it I did often!”
A 42 year old midget. Gross !
@ Leo
It’s time to get sterilized pal. You must have been (and perhaps still are) terribly desperate to dip your wick in an old women like that. Suggest a trip to the M.D. ASAP. Hopefully you don’t already have kids simply as a result of needing a place to put it.
Gross dude..
@ Casey
Not Cali, Canada, and yes, the woman here tend to be thinner then a lot of our southern neighbours.
@ Michelle,
LOL dude! that was more then a half a lifetime ago. Chick had never had a kid. But man could she fuck!
@ Leo G
So, I’m going to say you are in British Columbia…….as they tend to stay more fit on the West Coast.
I am a canuck too, so I can assure everyone that Canada has more than it’s fair share of OBESE women. Ontario being the worst.
That said, no one builds a FATTY like the good old US of A.
Dear Casey:
So, I’m going to say you are in British Columbia…….as they tend to stay more fit on the West Coast.
This is generally true, but is less and less the case as the years pass. In the old days, people laughed openly at American women in BC, and called them landwhales. Dating an American chick was synonymous with being a sexual market loser.
Last time I went home, I was astounded to see the changes. BC women are porking up *very* fast, and soon they may be roughly equal to American and UK women. More pot-bellies in downtown Vancouver now than in a maternity ward.
A notable exception is the Asian chicks, but then Asian-Americano chicks tend to stay slim and take care of themselves too. I believe this is due to the extreme choosiness and good taste of Asian men.
As an aside, I ask you, have you ever seen an Asian man with one of these huge ugg beast women, of any race, on his arm? I didn’t think so. White and Black men ought to start taking a cue from this, and emulating our Asian brothers.
Just say no, to laying with a hippo.
Regards, Boxer
@ Boxer
Roger that………I refuse to have an overweight woman on my arm.
I’d rather live life alone, and jettison the extra weight.
Feminism just keeps pumping this horseshit message twofold:
1) Weight doesn’t matter, any worthy man will love you as you are.
2) Any man who calls a woman on her weight or won’t date an overweight woman is a jerk
Any woman not willing to bring as much to the table at the OUTSET of a relationship (including a slim & trim figure) is NOT worth dating. She will continue to pack on the pounds.
AND NOW…….she can claim it’s a DISEASE (thank you, American Medical Association). Now it’s not her fault, she has a disease. (Sound of Ding Dongs & Twinkies being swallowed whole).
Saddens me to hear that B.C. woman are going the way of Texas.