Sammiches.
From the New York Post: ‘I’m 124 sandwiches away from an engagement ring’
Each morning, he would ask, “Honey, how long you have been awake?”
“About 15 minutes,” I’d reply.
“You’ve been up for 15 minutes and you haven’t made me a sandwich?”
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I doubt even sandwich making skills would alter the course of marriage oblivion..
From a Game perspective, this demonstrates quite a significant amount of Qualification by the woman in question. The investment on her part should help bind her to him. Not to mention affirm his dominance.
Except that apparently she has been in the same bed when she got up.
as he was
Why buy the cow when the milk was free. Speaking of cereal monogamy…
Sandwiches for breakfast? But maybe you don’t have to break a few eggs to make…
The way to break the marriage strike is to eliminate the scab-women who cross the picket lines.
[D: A sex cartel?]
Use the abomination of contraception, but if she can’t find you and your DNA is not in a database…
If you put a jelly bean in a jar for every andwich a guy gets before marriage and then removes a jelly bean for evey sandwich he gets after marriage . . . he’ll never empty the jar.
As for the sandwich making being a qualifier, it is to a certain extent, but the pay off for her is huge. Just as women do lots of sex before marriage, that investment doesn’t count much once the ring is on for many.
Doesn’t Moses say “thou shall not suffer a witch to live”, making no exception sor sand-witches.
Women need to pray “g ive us this day our daily breadwinners”.
Would the sandwich provision continue if he did marry her? Perhaps keeping her hungry for the engagement ring keeps his hunger at bay with sandwiches. Once her hunger for the ring is satisfied, his hunger would only just begin; and not just for sandwiches……
This is the money quote from the article;
“Things were moving at a natural pace, but I wondered what it would take for him to propose. I’m in my mid-30s……..I have always valued the commitment and dedication it takes to get married and stay married. Call me old-fashioned, but I’d like to raise a family with someone who feels likewise.”
*sigh*
Another woman who bought into the Feminist lie that she could “have it all” and wait until the very last moment of her most fertile years(at that point, dwindling) to try and get married. I’m willing to wager that Ms. Smith spent her 20’s living up the Sex & the City-Lifestyle then at around 30, started the difficult task of finding a suitable husband. What a waste. Waiting to the last minute to deal with the most serious decision a woman could make eg marriage and reproduction is shittiest marriage and mating strategy women take up nowadays. It used to stun me as to how many women would act so irresponsibly with their own lives and future. Now, I accept it as the norm and am not even angry about it anymore. What’s really tragic(and saddens me greatly) are the lost opportunities for both women and men and society in general. Women bought into this social dystopia and it’s abundantly clear they own it.
@D
1. precisely [sex cartel]
2 Cart-l Baltimore. [ Norman simon’sHot-l baltimore]
Correction – Neils Simon
some of the comments are priceless.
If this one is married, I feel sorry for her husband. Well maybe not:
I’m running away from this one. As fast as I can…
I’m sure this one owns cats:
One last entitled feminist headcase no one should be around:
My laugh of the day.
Correction 2 – Hot-l (Hotel) Baltimore
The pre-qualification thing is right, but what’s lost in this is she’s doing something nice for him every day.
If a woman really wants to hang onto a man – regardless of which Greek signifier we assign to his character – doing something nice for him every day is a good place to start. Man, I love it when my wife packs my lunch. Doesn’t have anything to do with me being a sexist. Has to do with me liking being treated nice. Makes it easier to go bust my ass at work when I can pause for lunch and eat the sandwich and think about how it shows she cares for me.
Women seem to have no clue about this at all and how much a single nice thing per day can nurture a relationship. I think they must spend most of their time thinking about utterly useless crap. Like feminist theory about why it’s wrong for a woman to make a man’s lunch.
Joe Blow
The advise MRA types give every women that ask about finding and getting a man always has the simple task of just being pleasant to be around. 90 percent of women if not more can’t do it.
Be pleasant to be around. So simple. Yet so hard.
I tried the penny in a jar thing with my ex wife. Put a penny in a jar every time you have sex the first year or marriage. Take a penny out every time you have sex after the first year. She got a jar full of pennies in the divorce.
Why do sandwiches? I never got that meme. I can probably make myself a better sandwich. I could definitely top my ex wife at making myself sandwiches. The problem is, a woman will be on better behavior before marriage than after. Giving her a goal or hoops to jump through before you buy her an engagement ring doesn’t guarantee anything once it’s on.
In her 30s and still waiting?.. If she ever wanted kids, she’s made a grave mistake. In any case, a man who takes too long to marry you is not worth it – either you weren’t good enough or he just isn’t into marriage and kids. Be the best wife material you can be and avoid these men.
It’s hard to feel anything positive about such an article. Maybe it gives some people hope, but to me it’s a mess.
He cooks gourmet meals and she makes sandwiches? I like the fact that her mother is not sure she is even capable of that.
Is the UMC so far removed from reality that even making sandwiches is a novelty?
@Random Angeleno
Never ceases to amaze me how upset women get just at the *idea* of doing something nice for their boyfriends. Like they are all so awesome and great all on their own we should be lucky just to look at them. Yet they expect their men to be productive 24/7, either working and earning money for them or doing stuff for them personally. The reason why your girlfriend hates it when you play videogames at home is the same reason your boss will get angry if he catches you playing videogames at work.
It’s what comes before the sammiches that counts.
It takes 3 minutes to make a sandwich,what is she doing the other 23 hours 57 minutes of the day?
That is the important question.
What a cop-out.
(Called a cop-out,for it’s namesake)
This blog post is designed to throw traditionalists off the trail of @Dalrock’s blog, being as we are against miscegenation as a rule.
That’s alright, because there is a new map of Dark Enlightenment bloggers and @Dalrock’s blog isn’t on it this time… ( http://www.moreright.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/darkenlightenment.png )
By the way, promoting White Genocide is a sin, and a very un-Christian thing to be doing.
A.J.P.
As I near 30 and see these hot young things barely out of high school, many still in high school, i can’t imagine ever marrying a girl my own age. For wht? She’s used up and her hottest years are behind her.
Get your act together and find a good one under 22, fuck her like crazy for 6 years like a smart guy, knowing when you can blast inside her with minimal danger (or just pull out) and THEN get her pregnant when she’s almost 30.
Or just use birth control or condoms, but I hate condoms and am against hormones for many reasons.
@nietzsche
there is a name for people who use the pull and pray method, their called “parents”
too little too late
http://sartikaherbal.com/home/extract-herbal/gandarusa-justicia-gendarussa?vmcchk=1
Nietzsche
good plan and one I highly recommend. take a look at the non hormonal male pill.
Spills and Thrills!
All I ever wanted was for my wife to be nice to me. A hug, a touch in passing, a kind word. I was always nice to her, doing nice things for her, helping her out around the house, trying to find things we could do together. But she just couldn’t do it. And instead of appreciating me for doing nice things for her she resented me for it. I suppose because she felt like she owed me and was expected to do something nice in return. After she left to go find that perfect man and failed miserably I tried to give her advice, that maybe she should be nice to whoever she’s interested in and she said that’s not who she is. If someone is right for her they should accept her just the way she is. Good luck with that.
I see that same sentiment in all of those angry responses. Being nice to your man? How terribly sexist and old fashioned! The man should lavish her with attention and beg to marry her without her having to do anything except live and breath. How sad indeed. The secret to happiness is so simple but people refuse to do it out of pride and pure spite. Nobody wants to put into a relationship as much as they expect to get out of it.
Call her ‘old fashioned’. Because she can make a sammy and is unmarried well into her 30’s and already shacked up with her BF who is probably in no rush to change the deal. This is the problem: women want to be both ‘modern’ and ‘traditional/old fashioned’, of course both of those things to be defined by them on their terms which precludes any sort of contradiction. And they are free to alternate at will between those apparently congruent states-of-being. Crazy.
Interesting that this mid-30’s woman found herself a nice STEM guy to settle down with. Or so she hopes. Funny how those men suddenly appear so charming and talented when a woman reaches her 30’s.
I was hoping sandwich was some kind of euphemism for something other than what most any man with at least one intact thumb can do drunk off his ass while propping the fridge door open with his foot. I will give her credit for understanding that she must provide something, that the commitment of marriage is something he holds, but the ‘cuteness’ of it all just makes it seem kind of pathetic.
Reminds me of the last mid 30’s woman I dated for a bit. Makes no money, though owes plenty for her masters degree, but loves sushi! And travel! And has managed to teach herself to cook a bit over the past 20 years (amazing, I know!) but she was adamant: “I don’t bake.” Well, I happen to be a great amateur chef. My culinary skills exceeded hers by a decent margin. Oh, and I happen love pie or a good scone. So, you know, guess I will just keep baking my own. Turns out I don’t sign over my net worth, provide access to a lifestyle I constructed from scratch as a direct result of 20 years of hard labor and sacrifice either. We were both too rigid I guess.
A bit in jest. But truthfully she was also a woman with 20+ modern-woman years behind her and then a sudden appreciation for the old-fashioned, which I take to mean basically: me. My restraint, discipline, honor, hard work, dedication, planning, and sacrifice. Sure, she could cook and liked to point out her virtuous conservative midwestern provincial upbringing, but with two decades of drinking and smoking and clubbing and banging random dudes she needed to offer a bit more.
She couldn’t un-bang those guys but she could have learned to bake. Sometimes you’ve gotta shave to win those close swims. A mid-30’s woman should always be shaving.
@greyghost
i just bought 3 bottles on ebay 🙂
Re James Wolfe’s comment:
“All I ever wanted was for my wife to be nice to me.” That’s all the vast majority of men *really* want out of a woman. It’s not really about the act of sex. It’s the spirit of giving or “niceness” that would motivate your wife to have sex with you, cook for you, console you, make you a nice meal, etc.
Most men genuinely want to do these things for a woman and have it done for them. Most women genuinely DO NOT. In fact they VEHEMENTLY don not want to and find it all terribly dull and unsexy. It’s a bitter, bitter pill to swallow when one finds out this truth about women.
Each morning, he would ask, “Honey, how long you have been awake?”
“About 15 minutes,” I’d reply.
“You’ve been up for 15 minutes and you haven’t made me a sandwich?”
I would be more inclined to keep my mouth shut rather than say something like this?……Comments like that will ignite her “inner bitch”.
Make me a sandwich? 15 minutes? This must be a joke right? Women aren’t your slaves. Yes they should perform certain wifely duties and housework. But not in this way.
@ fake email
Not my Mom..
I just watched my facebook get nuked by women after i mentioned that young men are going to be subsidizing everyone in the healthcare bill.
@ Lazlo
Yuck you lived with a banged out slut? Why’d you do that?
Interesting how she keeps emphasizing her waning fertility and desire to have children, so focused on these sandwiches she misses the bigger picture – if you want to be considered for the part of caring nurturing mother you need to first display traits and behavior that proves you have them.
Even if it’s just something as basic a whipping up a sandwich no matter if she’s tired after a long night working/partying because when you have children their needs supersede yours.
The choice of partner is paramount when it comes to making sure to give your children the best possible chance in life, no matter if you’re man or woman, and as such making sure they have the necessary qualities to be a good parent is the sanest choice anyone can, and should, make in life. Any good parent will make it and any good parent will, gladly, allow themselves to be tested for it.
Or aren’t men allowed to exercise some basic screening when the life of their future children is on the line because it’s a slight inconvenience for the aspiring mother-to-be?
TLDR: It’s not about the sandwich, it’s about her not getting the message
@fakeemail
“Most men genuinely want to do these things for a woman and have it done for them. Most women genuinely DO NOT. In fact they VEHEMENTLY don not want to and find it all terribly dull and unsexy. It’s a bitter, bitter pill to swallow when one finds out this truth about women.”
Ah, the bitter side effects of the blue pill. A man who thinks that all women are nasty and terrible is a man who likely has had little success with women.
When a woman loves a man, she loves to do nice things for him. When she despises a man, she despises doing nice things for him. The difference between these two things may be as simple as game, but you’re almost right. I’d just fix it for you by saying, “Most women do not want to do nice things for MOST men. They only want to do nice things for the few men they find attractive.”
At any rate, articles like this always interests me. The author’s boyfriend sums it up pretty nicely: Women read gobs of magazines, online articles, and books trying to figure out how to get and keep a man, but when actual good advice like this comes along they rebel against it and try to deny its efficacy. Because patriarchy.
I mean, this guy doesn’t even come off as a chauvinist, he just appreciates the nice things his gf does for him, and maybe takes them for granted…just a little. Of course, this almost sounds like the solipsistic opposite of Rollo Tomassi’s “inability to appreciate male sacrifice” thesis. Women, being incapable of appreciating the sacrifice men make to keep women happy and make their imperative work, are also incapable of accepting appreciation from a man when she makes his imperative come true. Or rather, they imagine that they can’t do so from an outside perspective.
He gets her body for free and a sandwich. Then he can replace her when she gets too old or fed up.
Sounds like the marriage strike will continue.
Thanks to contraception.
oblivion
I checked it out and I’m buying. I know a party dude from work and I told him of gandarusa and his eyes lit up. He is going to love this. Keep an eye on the Dallas Fort Worth area. The prize is to get this into the college athlete world. If the “hood” ever got wind of it and the men learned they could be “bullet proof” it would end a large part of the 36 year old grandmother cycles.
At first I thought this was funny… but I really hope she makes him a lot of sandwiches in a short space of time or she will be too old to have a lot of babies.
If it were me I would be taking a man sandwich for breakfast lunch dinner and snacks… or just forget it, because it is not worth it to spend your youth just making sandwiches when you could be having children in that time.
But I think the most important thing to realize here is not to live together before marriage! I didn’t realize they were living together.
When a woman lives with a man before marriage and does everything a wife would do for him, he doesn’t have reason to marry her.
It takes 3 minutes to make a sandwich,what is she doing the other 23 hours 57 minutes of the day?
A sandwich worth savoring takes much more than a 3 minute investment, especially if you bake the bread.
Hopefully by the 50th sandwich at least, she’d figured out that homemade bread is the key to taking it up a notch. If she really wants to impress a guy who doesn’t even need a wife to eat a good home cooked meal.
In her 30s and still waiting?.. If she ever wanted kids, she’s made a grave mistake.
We hold the minority opinion, Emma. If she’s 34 and they’re married by the time she’s 36, then they are right on track according to most people. even women who get married at 20 or 22 are waiting five to ten years before they start having babies.
By the time I was 36 I had teenagers, and almost every mother at their schools was adecade older than me and in awe that I had kids that old at such a “young” age.
She is getting up there in age and he is already living with her, but in most of the U.S., this is the natural progression of a relationship now.
@greyghost
ill be makeing sure it makes its rounds around college 🙂
I’d probably take a bullet for a nice feminine attractive sammich maker.
Not perfect, but there is a lot of good in this woman’s approach. She’s a little snarky, but it looks to be more defensive against that haters.
Good comments here about demonstrating that she’s good wife and mother material. It really isn’t complicated.
And why do some people try to find a way to tie in contraception to everything? It’s the devil hiding behind every door for some. At least they have big avatars that are easy to identify wh/ posts to skip.
@IrishFarmer
“Ah, the bitter side effects of the blue pill. A man who thinks that all women are nasty and terrible is a man who likely has had little success with women.”
I think you’re misreading what he typed. Considering there’s a number of typos in the original phrase, fakeemail probably meant:
“Most men genuinely want to do these things for a woman and have it done for them. Most women genuinely DO NOT.”
Notice, it’s negating the tit-for-tat relationship he’s implying. Remember that game talks about how women find dominance and confidence attractive. Therefore the mutually subservient relationship that’s implied in the first sentence is repellent. This is bolstered by the next sentence.
“In fact they VEHEMENTLY don(sic) not want [them] to and find it all terribly dull and unsexy.”
It makes far more sense this way.
And why do some people try to find a way to tie in contraception to everything?
I think you meant procreation, and it came up because in the referenced article the woman says she wants to get married and “start a family” before it’s too late. Therefore, it isn’t irrelevant to the conversation at all. At least not this time.
“And why do some people try to find a way to tie in contraception to everything?”
Think about it…how much of the current lifestyle could women get away with if they didn’t have those pills.
Elspeth- No I mean contraception
Earl- It seems to escape many that contraception existed prior to the pill.
@Michael
You are looking at this the wrong way. When she tells about him saying this, she is bragging.
Seems the woman who makes the sandwiches has gotten a lot of criticism, and has responded to it in the _Post_: It’s a blog, not a ‘wich hunt!
The investment on her part should help bind her to him. Not to mention affirm his dominance.
If I had a cat, would it affirm my humanity?
@John Titor
“It makes far more sense this way.”
Yeah, definitely. I stand corrected.
“Earl- It seems to escape many that contraception existed prior to the pill.”
But it wasn’t as widespread, easy, or effective for women to get. Plus the effects to a woman are damaging.
There is a difference between a hormonal birth control pill and pulling out or using plants.
One causes unnatural things to happen to women and eventually men when it gets into the drinking water…the other at least uses natural means.
I wish wordpress by default allowed inline images, this could be a sandwich porn thread.
“We hold the minority opinion, Emma. If she’s 34 and they’re married by the time she’s 36, then they are right on track according to most people. even women who get married at 20 or 22 are waiting five to ten years before they start having babies.”
AT 36 the odds of her miscarrying are over 25% (1 in 4). By the time she reaches 40 it will have gone up to 33% (1 in 3).
Not only does she have to overcome the hurdle of getting pregnant to begin with (fertility), she then has to overcome the fact that her ability to carry a pregnancy to term (not miscarry) is greatly reduced (women in there 20’s only miscarry 10% of the time–1 in 10).
The odds of having a child with a physical abnormality also go through the roof as a woman ages. AT 20, the odds of having a child with Down’s is 1 in 1600; at 35 it’s 1 in 365; at 40 it’s 1 in 90; at 45 it’s 1 in 30.
She MIGHT have one healthy child, but odds are stacked against her having two healthy children. The odds of her having three healthy children is so high that it’s not even worth calculating.
This is why the “a woman can wait till her 30’s to have kids” meme is dangerous. And one reason why men should remember…
— Never marry a woman over 30 —
Follow up article…basically saying that feminists have no sense of humor.
http://nypost.com/2013/09/26/its-a-blog-not-a-wich-hunt/
The most amusing part of the whole article were the comments in the NY Post. Most were from “Rah Rah Girl Power” types who saw even the simple act of making a sandwich as some type of surrender of their dignity. Doubtlessly they would rave to their girlfriends if they’d landed a guy with a good job and who cooks for them but the idea of doing something nice for their partner is alien to them. I suggest we invest in cat food companies. There will be a real boom in that industry in another 10 years or so
“I suggest we invest in cat food companies. There will be a real boom in that industry in another 10 years or so.” – mindstar
That might not be a bad idea! That and those companies that make clothes for pets….
Michael: “Make me a sandwich? 15 minutes? This must be a joke right? Women aren’t your slaves. Yes they should perform certain wifely duties and housework. But not in this way.”
Dalrock:”You are looking at this the wrong way. When she tells about him saying this, she is bragging.”
I agree. It’s sort of a badge of honor, though many women won’t admit it, to have a man who bosses you around. She’s basically telling other women that she has a man that she’s hot for who’s in charge. And just look at the comments under the story: many women are telling her that he’s a sexist pig and she should run. Methinks there are jealous, lonely crabs in that bucket.
Aside from the fact she’s in her mid-30s and shacked up with a guy with no immediate intentions of marrying her, her approach is monumentally stupid because it inadvertently reveals her calculating nature. She’s not making sandwiches just because she loves her man and wants to take care of him. She’s doing it for a big shiny rock, and the sandwiches will end once she gets her prize! And he knows this full well.
I’ve made thousands of sandwiches and packed lunches for my husband with ZERO reward. Why? Because if he’s going to work his ass off every day to support our family and allow me to be a full-time mother and student, the LEAST I can do is make sure he is healthy and nourished. That means sandwiches, protein shakes, nice steak dinners (well, he loves to cook so we often cook dinner together), massages and cuddles in the evening, and sexy times whenever he’s in the mood. THAT’s what it takes to maintain a marriage and keep a man happy long term. A woman who treats something as basic as a sandwich as a service to barter in exchange for material goods is NOT marriage material. She should be doing these things anyway, spontaneously and without keeping score, just to show him her love and appreciation.
I’d bet money he’ll wait until the 299th sandwich to dump her though. Why mess with a free lunch?
Oh, one more thing for women reading this blog: husbands like it very, very much when you sneak in little Post-it love notes with their sandwiches. It doesn’t really matter what you write—it can be cute, sexy, silly etc—but whenever I do this I never fail to get an “I love you so much baby” text at some point during the day.
I just watched my facebook get nuked by women after i mentioned that young men are going to be subsidizing everyone in the healthcare bill.
The Entitlement Mentality at work.
You can bet a month’s pay that there will be a contingent of loud, angry Wimminz Rights activists camped out on the steps of Capitol Hill this week to make sure that those nasty, awful “conservative” Congressthings back down on their threat to shut down the gubbermint and start funding ObamunistCare like the good little white knights/manginas that they are.
@Bucho
If you read the comments on the previous post, dog food might be a better option, but be sure to invest in the companies that make small cans for small yippitty pain-in-the-proverbial miniatures.
@ Feeriker
Do the firemen in DC need any practice in aiming hoses, given the extent of the dry summer we have just had. Sounds to me like a good bit of target practice coming up.
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I am going to have to agree with Mary. I’ve read all the comments from the women posting there, telling her to get away from this guy. That sounds awfully envious to me.
UK Fred asked: Do the firemen in DC need any practice in aiming hoses, given the extent of the dry summer we have just had. Sounds to me like a good bit of target practice coming up.
Having lived in the greater D.C. metro area for several years and having had no choice but to do my share of time working within the confines of the Imperial City, I would assert that the average D.C. fireman probably wouldn’t even recognize a fire hose if he were smacked over the head with it, let alone have any idea how to aim it or use it.
As for the idea of giving a chorus of loud, angry she-beasts a hydrant bath, even assuming that what passes for firefighters in D.C. could figure out a way to connect and use the hoses, I wouldn’t even dream of wasting water like that (unless D.C.’s hydrants get their water out of that open sewer called the Potomac River, in which case I’d be sure to let them have it full blast). Loud, angry feminists and the U.S. Congress more than deserve each other. Let them suffer each other’s presence – hopefully during an Indian summer heat wave.
Or put another way…women are hot for a man they are attracted to who bosses her around.
Perhaps a lot of those ladies have never been attracted to a man because they have the mindset of hating men, they are low on the totem pole, or have unreasonable expecations. Therefore no other woman should have that either.
women are hot for a man they are attracted to who bosses her around
That is domineering behaviour and comes across as pathetic.
Lena, open your blog up to public access. We want to view it. To not do so tells the people here that YOU might exibit domineering behaviour, incapable of having your thoughts put under critical inquiry.
“That is domineering behaviour and comes across as pathetic.”
Only if you aren’t attracted to the guy.
Being revealed as pathetic kills attraction.
So when my boss demands something of me…it is because he is pathetic.
That will surely get me a raise.
When my dad demanded I do things for him…it was because he is pathetic.
That will get me into the will.
Honey we all have bosses, leaders, and superiors…it’s not limited to women only.
@Earl
Different situation. You are not understanding the difference between dominant and domineering.
Being revealed as pathetic kills attraction.
That’s true from the male perspective as well.
“You are not understanding the difference between dominant and domineering.”
Then let’s get Webster involved:
dominant: more important, powerful, or successful than most or all others
domineering: tending too often to tell people what to do often trying to control the behavior of others
So again…it really is based on women’s attraction to the man. If she knows (or feels) he’s the first…then she will gladly do his orders. If she knows (or feels) he’s the second…she will see him as pathetic.
“You are not understanding the difference between dominant and domineering.”
Um… project much?
@Lena S.
How do you mean this? With regard to the quoted exchange in the OP, are you saying you can’t imagine it as dominant (and playful, fun, and loving), and only domineering? Or are you being more specific to Earl’s (never) married game?
SSM said: And just look at the comments under the story: many women are telling her that he’s a sexist pig and she should run. Methinks there are jealous, lonely crabs in that bucket.
Hmmm, eh, I dunno. That might be the case for some of them, but my experience and observation, as well as my reading of the responses to the linked author’s full piece, leads me to think that the majority of them are so bitter, so cynical, so hate-filled, and so miserable that they can’t even conceive of the idea that ANY women would entertain even a passing whim of doing anything for any man. While most of these women wouldn’t be bothered at all with one, the few who would be believe that they are ENTITLED to the provisions of any man to whom they give even so much as the time of day (I won’t upset my gastrointestinal tract by dwelling on what kind of “man” that might be). After all, she knows that he should consider himself lucky that she would deign to show him any attention at all, let alone affection. For him to think that she would offer ANYTHING to him borders on blasphemy. How very patriarchal!
So no, I would have to disagree with the idea that the majority of these harpies responding to the author are jealous of her. Disgusted at the idea that she’s abandoning the Sisterhood and its core principles and resentful of her for it, perhaps.
Breaking the marriage strike? Not even close…
@Dalrock
Not at all. I was responding to Earl’s comment that women respond to bossiness. It might work for a hook-up, but long term that would be pretty tiresome.
@feeriker
You are overthinking this. It is likely true that many of the harpies can’t imagine why a woman would feel that way for a man, but this doesn’t stop them from being jealous of her for having a man who makes her feel that way. That he makes her feel this way by saying things perfectly tuned to make a feminist harpy’s head explode is just icing on the cake. Read the article looking for signs she is bragging. They are everywhere. The women reading will pick this up even if they don’t do so at a conscious or logical level. They will feel it. Even the reference to a proposal is part of her bragging. The subtext of the article is:
The difference betweeen dominant and domineering is not hard to discern, but it depends on a couple of things. The first Dalrock touched on in his post title: Are you having fun as a couple? If my husband comes home and says “Woman, where’s my food?”, the exchange between us ends in laughter, even as I get on with the business of serving him his food. What sounds like bossiness may not be bossiness. It depends on the man and woman in question.
The second factor is whether or not the wife is at all interested in pleasing her husband. Does making him happy make her happy? Does she care what he thinks about well…anything? If the answer to those questions is no, then anything he requests feels like a burden, like he is “bossing her around.” It doesn’t matter how he asks either. Just that he felt he had the right to is an affront.
Lena…have you ever felt desire for a man?
“I’ve found the man of my dreams and he is going to marry me.
I’m his woman.
Bow down bitches.”
That says it.
Who cares if she is seen as being a doormat or has a sexist pig, point is –she has a man, which is more than most modern women can say and there is nothing women love more than to show off their man (even though they insist they don’t need one).
Also would say there is a difference between a submissive act and a submissive spirit. An act, such as making a sandwich, can be a display of her genuine submission or it can be just purely an act to get something she wants. Time will tell.
Earl asked: Lena…have you ever felt desire for a man?
Based on what little we can assume about her from her posts here so far, I would have to say that the answer is an unqualified “yes.” It’s very likely, however, that her attitude of surly entitlement so repulsed the object of her affection as to lead him to deliver a textbook “nuclear rejection,” which in turn further solidified her attitude and added extra weight to the already gigantic chip on her shoulder, ensuring that history will only repeat itself.
@Dalrock:
OK, I think I can see now where you and SSM are coming from. Yes, it might very well be a subconscious form of jealousy or envy in that they know that one of the sestren has been made happy in a way that the Sisterhood could never pull off, a happiness that violates the very core of their faith. In other words, Stephanie’s love for Eric, and the way in which she demonstrates it, has them frothing with rage because it points out their own failures as women, as well as the failure of the ideology that they have allowed to guide most of their adult lives. In other words, they hate the message, so they’re crucifying the messenger.
[D: I think you have got it.]
I only ask because I do know the times a lady desired me…she actually WANTED me to take charge and give her orders.
So for this go around…I’m not talking out of my rectal region.
@Feeriker said: “Having lived in the greater D.C. metro area for several years and having had no choice but to do my share of time working within the confines of the Imperial City, I would assert that the average D.C. fireman probably wouldn’t even recognize a fire hose if he were smacked over the head with it,”
Dude, you don’t know what you are talking about. I know a fair number of MFD guys b/c one of my hobbies brings me in contact with a lot of them and while there are certainly a enough ne’r do wells, it is a busy fire department that has to respond to a lot of dangerous calls, and plenty of fires, amongst a somewhat hostile populace. You wouldn’t catch me on the roof of a burning, 100 year old row house in in the ‘hood with an axe in a million years. Much respect for those fellows…
I think some here are underestimating the totality of Marxist feminist indoctrination in this country ( and the West, in general). There is no thought process involved – merely an immediate reaction to the supposed female subjugation (aka – sandwich-making).
I find the shaming of her, via the NY Post comments section, a very interesting indicator.
“We hold the minority opinion, Emma. If she’s 34 and they’re married by the time she’s 36, then they are right on track according to most people. even women who get married at 20 or 22 are waiting five to ten years before they start having babies.”
Based on a personal, informal, longitudinal study, I disagree. Most of my peers (Houston, 10 years ago) had first children at about 28-32; and I notice that the “younger generation” of people I work with in the office (Denver) are doing about the same. I work in an office which is mostly engineers and accountants…typically people with some education, so you’d think that demographic would skew older, if anything.
@oblivion
“”I just watched my facebook get nuked by women after i mentioned that young men are going to be subsidizing everyone in the healthcare bill.””
You are correct my friend.But,the Wimminz don’t get it!…….Look at the Canadian health care system…..it will be rationed…..and it is not FREE!
@Earl
“”Think about it…how much of the current lifestyle could women get away with if they didn’t have those pills””
They could learn how to swallow?
@lgrobins:
“Who cares if she is seen as being a doormat or has a sexist pig, point is –she has a man, which is more than most modern women can say and there is nothing women love more than to show off their man (even though they insist they don’t need one).”
I have observed women married to average beta chumps will feel butt-hurt when another woman shows off her dominant alpha.
@Lena S. says:
Pathetic is when women try to be so much like men that they can’t take any more masculine behavior in their life. This isn’t too different from less-successful beta males trying to find something wrong with the behavior of alphas in order to justify the self w.r.t. their own beta behavior.
When men act dominant, it’s just men being men. Of course, in order for these women who try to be masculine to continue to think themselves masculine, they have to accuse men who are acting male as being “pathetic” just as some beta males accuse alphas of being “pathetic” w.r.t. their dominant behavior. Your reaction would be quite understandable, if we were to consider you’re just trying to be beta-masculine rather than a woman.
@feeriker
Lena belongs to me. She is not difficult for me to handle and there is nothing femDOM about her.
@innocentbystanderboston
Lena has nothing to prove to the world and she will not be making her current blog public.
@Jeremy
Many don’t understand the distinct differences between dominant and domineering. Being bossy does not work nearly as well as being directive. I told Lena to bow out of this exchange since it is going nowhere. Topics such as this were explored on our defunct blog. No one learned then and no one is learning now. You all are fumbling around and rehashing the same things without learning any new concepts.
Now I suppose I will be attacked for being a White Knight for Lena. Whatever. Have any of you guys had a relationship with a good woman and learned how to handle a woman?
Not necessarily, no.
Most of us have.
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Twenty or twenty-five years ago, I was at home on a work day, but can’t remember why. Out of curiosity, I turned the TV to Oprah. (Note: she wasn’t as misandrist in those days.)
She showed several beautiful women, White; Asian; and black. All, to my unsophisticated 40’s around ‘9’ or ’10’. They all had the same complaint. “Men won’t make a commitment. Whine! Whimper! Complain!”
Then, she showed a young married couple. I would rate the man as at least an 8 or higher. Nice physique. Attractive face; well groomed.
The wife, a solid, chubby 5. Both had happy smiles.
Oprah asked him what prompted him to propose to her. He said he had been dating a number of women, not even thinking seriously about any of them. One day his door bell rang, and when he opened it, she was there with a big picnic basket. She walked into the living room, put down a large cloth and laid out a nice, home-cooked picnic meal for him.
He said he soon stopped dating other women, and it wasn’t long before they were engaged, and soon they were married.
Oprah asked why that picnic meal was such a big deal. He said, (Emphasis mine), “NO WOMAN EVER DID ANYTHING FOR ME BEFORE.”
I tend to tell this tale to women who ask me why men won’t make a commitment. Response is ALWAYS, “Shriek! Shriek! Shriek!” Hey, that might work, heh, heh.
I have concluded by listening to men that most AW really never do anything for any man. He was right on! (Being an evangelist for expatting, I must point out rural Mexican women do things for their men, heh, heh. And, I think their mothers and grand-mothers and aunts and sisters teach them that.)
Before I retired, fellow workers and I were discussing over many weeks the tests for women as far as marriageable or not. One of the first things was, as I have mentioned, marital status and birth status, as unwed mother; divorced mother; etc. The driving test was only after much discussion, and it was a young lad to presented it.
Then, this topic came up. The question was not whether she ever did anything for the prospective groom. Rather, “HAS SHE EVER DONE ANYTHING FOR ANYONE IN HER LIFETIME.”
At that time, nearly 20 years ago, most young bachelors said few young women ever did anything for anyone, ever. “It’s all about me.”
I used to give the made-up example of two sisters. The dad comes in the house with a loose button on his shirt. one sister pays no attention. The other one without a word, runs into her room and comes back with her sewing shirt, and tells her dad to take off his shirt and sews up the button. The second sister has a really good attitude.
LOL, that chick shows up and it’s only a matter of time before her man rides to the rescue. It’s a reoccurring theme
Nietzsche says: September 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm
“Get your act together and find a good one under 22, fuck her like crazy for 6 years like a smart guy, knowing when you can blast inside her with minimal danger (or just pull out) and THEN get her pregnant when she’s almost 30.”
This is absolutely horrid advice. Women should at the latest start having their children during the first half of their twenties from a genetic POV. The age at which the odds of a woman conceiving an embryo with the chromosomal disorder Down’s Syndrome begins to rise due to advancing age? NINETEEN.
@7man says:
There’s certainly distinct differences between dominant and domineering. It was Lena and Lena only who popped off and decided that what was discussed had to mean pathetic fault-compensating bossiness. As for no one learning from your defunct blog, It’s no surprise considering the attitude taken in yours and Lenas comments.
And in Ottawa – http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ottawa-busker-says-bylaw-on-microphone-use-discriminates-against-female-performers-1.1473347
Now I suppose I will be attacked for being a White Knight for Lena.
Not by me. Not only would it be a waste of my time, but since it appears that you ARE Lena posting under another handle, it would be pointless as well.
Many years ago my roommate in college came back from a weekend visit to his girlfriends house (still living with her parents), and announced that he had decided to marry her. He had not told her yet; but had made his decision. when asked what brought this on he replied, “I asked her to get me a beer and she not only did it, but she opened it before handing it to me.” Now this may seem silly, but they are still married over 35 years later. It seems like this willingness to do some nice thing for her man is a big clue on her ability to be a wife and mother.
I am married to an Asian woman. Last Thanksgiving we had my family and a few friends over for dinner. (I do most of the cooking, and always have.) While I was at the table sitting next to a brother in law, I asked my wife, who was standing next to the refridgerator to get me a soda. When she did so without complaint you could have heard a pin drop. All the men were waiting for the explosion and all the women were shocked when it didn’t come. my B-I-L then stated that if he had done that with my sister she would have given him a blast. I retorted that it was his own fault for marrying an American woman. This was not well recieved by my sisters. I agree with Anonymous 71 that if you want a wife don’t look for one intthe US.
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I retorted that it was his own fault for marrying an American woman.
A line that should have been added to that famous Jim Croce song:
“You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
You don’t spit into the wind
You don’t marry an American woman
And you don’t mess around with Jim.”
The Sandwich.
Originated as an eighteenth -century gaming device by the eponymous Kentish Earl, so he wouldn’t have to abandon the green baize table/console during a crucial hand/ move.
A bit like pissing in the empty G33KB33R bottle during a clan battle, while rubbing the mouse on your t-shirt. Enjoy.
I don’t know if making sandwiches for a man will get him to propose, but it will definitely make feminists seething mad. A group of angry feminists has created the snarky Ordering 300 Sandwiches tumblr to mock this woman and her boyfriend.
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LOL, that chick shows up and it’s only a matter of time before her man rides to the rescue. It’s a reoccurring theme
It was better when they had their own blog, and kept this to themselves.
A group of angry feminists has created the snarky Ordering 300 Sandwiches tumblr to mock this woman and her boyfriend.
Excellent. Now we need a blog entitled “Empowering 300 Cats”…
PS: That blog should be colored entirely in different shades of green.
Sandwich: Indeed, it is a small town on the east coast of the County of Kent with a court house built sometime in the early seventeenth century, and thus looking somewhat different from its modern counterpart although very effective as a court – we all sit around in a semi-circle beneath and with our backs to the Judges – and out beyond that, seating for anyone wishing to observe the proceedings, much as if it were a church. Walking towards the sea one reaches its sandy shore; to the left The Royal St George’s Golf Course and if one walks northwards on the beach in the direction of the nuclear power station one encounters the hordes of Nudists frolicking in the water and dogging in the dunes. Make me a Sandwich might thus have a somewhat different connotation.
You always bring the lolz, AR. 🙂
Speaking of feminism: http://isthisfeminist.tumblr.com/
You know, we can argue about this sandwich-making woman’s motivations, but one thing we should acknowledge is that feminists clearly find her story extremely threatening. In addition to the Ordering 300 Sandwiches feminist parody that I linked to above, here is another furious feminist parody:
It continues on with more of the same kind of thing.
Why all the angry parodies if this story represents nothing important…? There’s some mound-rebuilding going on there.
Battle Creek, Michigan is (apart from being home to 7th Day Adventists) cereal city, as it is the home of Kellogg’s. The correct way to start the day is with a bowl of their excellent corn-flakes soaked in milk with a little white cane-sugar, one American export to England of which I thoroughly approve – although Sugar Puffs, Weetabix and Puffed Wheat are equally acceptable alternatives. In Winter one may turn to Scotch Porridge Oats. This should be followed by a ‘Full English’ and Orange Juice and thereafter Toast and Marmalade with either Coffee or Tea – again flavoured with Milk if you must and perhaps a teaspoon of Sugar.
I can see no place for the Earl of Sandwich’s snack.
I know I’m kind of a dork, but actually I thought this was a really sweet story. So she loves this guy and she makes him sandwiches – really creative sandwiches and he love it! Yay! Why shouldn’t she do something for him if she loves him? Maybe they’ll get married and he’ll want cookies – if so, I hope she makes him cookies.
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Diamond commercials are yet another example of capitalism-gone-HOG-wild. The several thousand would be better saved for things like furniture / bedding – stuff that both husband and wife benefit.
Has anybody else noticed that the feminist nowhere expects to pony up for a ring?
Scratch a feminist and watch a super-traditionalist bleed.
Diamond engagement rings aren’t supposed to be something that a woman has to “pony up for” to earn. Actually, the reverse is true. She needs to NOT do something to get a diamond engagement ring.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/the-strange-and-formerly-sexist-economics-of-engagement-rings/255434/
When the most important quality a woman had to “bribe” a man into marrying her was her intact hymen (boy is that disgusting) a man had to give her an insurance policy incase he “broke the hymen” and then ran. Diamonds. A girl’s best friend.
@innocentbystanderboston
The comments on that article are rather interesting. Show’s how far we’ve
fallengone.Marcus,
Yup, they sure are. Very self-centered.
Reinventing the Rent-A-Wife
Romanian prostitutes, their business hit by economic recession in the 1990’s in the wake of the collapse of the USSR, began trying to lure clients by offering to do household chores for them after having sex.
The daily National newspaper quoted a “sexual agent” in Bucharest as saying that many women in the sex business had added cooking and house-cleaning to the repertoire of the world’s oldest profession: “We had to invent something because people don’t have money and clients are rare. After solving the (sexual) problem, the girls clean and cook, for free,” he said.
“Men are happy because many of them live alone, and the girls help them get rid of the three things which torment their lives: sex, cleaning, and cooking.”
– from Roland Sweet’s “Stranger than Fiction” column.
So I can see the historical parallels, D, vis a vis the baby steps being taken by Sandwich Chick. American women are really slow, but we’ll get there eventually.
Anyway, I now understand why xtians take vows of poverty: the more people who do so, the more impoverished everyone is by the corrupt pimpocracy in Washington and on Wall Street, and the further my (fewer) prostitution dollars stretch! Or something like that.
And, yes, it really did quote a “sexual agent”. Tee, hee…
It only took her 257 sandwiches. 🙂
The Jezebelians are in a flurry of fury about it, as per usual.
Even if her story was all a media stunt, as the feministas accuse, it sends a nice message to young women: be sweet, feminine, and giving if you want to attract a good man who will commit to you. And it’s a good message for men, too: test her to see if she is willing to serve, not just be served, before you offer commitment to her.
Lena S. says:
September 26, 2013 at 8:47 am
“If I had a cat, would it affirm my humanity?”
Not to most men. Instead, like being a smoker, it would simply exclude you from romantic consideration by many men (most of whom dislike cats, especially inside ones).