The piling on against Pastor Saeed Abedini continues, with an article published yesterday by Christian Today*: Why did Naghmeh Abedini keep her spousal abuse a secret for years? Behavioural experts offer explanation
Since her husband Pastor Saeed Abedini was first imprisoned in Iran back in September 2012, Naghmeh showed no signs of trauma from spousal abuse as she put on a brave face in her effort to secure her husband’s release.
Over three years later, she finally cracked and admitted to supporters through e-mail that her husband had abused her physically, emotionally and sexually.
A husband who is accused is guilty, no matter how absurd the accusation.
…Naghmeh revealed only recently that her husband’s porn addiction and abuse continued despite their limited contacts (Skype and phone calls).
What is fascinating is how quickly the Christian domestic violence movement went completely insane. Modern Christian culture has swallowed this aspect of radical feminism whole, and there is no one I can see who is currently in a position to moderate it. Here we have a persecuted pastor being lynched in the Christian media and everyone is terrified of calling it out. The Christian feminists no longer even try to hide their alignment with radical secular feminists; the Christian Today article directly quotes secular feminist Lenore Walker, instead of relying on a Christian feminist to repackage the same ideology**.
Lenore Walker, a professor at Nova Southeastern University and founder of the Domestic Violence Institute, also agreed with Holcomb. She even suspects that throughout their marriage, Naghmeh felt that the abuse she experienced at the hands of her husband is acceptable, and it is only now that she realises otherwise.
“Women with strong religious backgrounds often are less likely to believe that violence against them is wrong,” said Walker.
This is not unlike the insanity we are seeing on university campuses where the radicals are in firm control. Christian domestic violence advocates are to the modern Church what the Red Guards were to Mao’s China. Something this destructive can’t last forever, but in the meantime it will do immense damage to Christian families around the West.
*Not to be confused with Christianity Today, which broke the original story.
**Christian Today is in turn drawing these quotes from the article by Religion News Service.
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“Over three years later, she finally cracked and ALLEGED to supporters through e-mail that her husband had abused her physically, emotionally and sexually.”
fixed it.
Unreal, that they are so dishonest and presumptive and unfair
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I checked the website for “Christiantoday”; their website includes articles exhorting Christians to take a stand against Jack the Ripper (?!?) and to wage a “social justice” campaign for the “living wage.” I know that SJWs always lie, but it’s getting to where I can’t tell this stuff from the onion.
Also, since the abuse is taking place magically from inside an Iranian prison, I think we should call this the “magic carpet” theory of domestic abuse.
Following the FB comments on the article it seems the last few have tilted towards hostile towards the article. Which is good news.
This is really something. This persecuted imprisoned pastor was merely accused of using porn and “abusing” Naghmeh. But the accusation has been accepted as fact. It’s now being reported as fact in more and more Christian publications. Moreover, no one except this manosphere website — one website in an obscure, little known corner o f the web – is pointing out the patent absurdity of the claims she has made, and the Christian community has accepted.
In this publication (Charisma magazine), it’s alleged the abuse began in 2002. It reports in the very next sentence that Saeed and Naghmeh were married in 2004. The absurdity continues– we’re supposed to believe Saeed abused her for two years, and she then married him anyway. (What, is Saeed Abedini playing a Chris Brown to Naghmeh’s Rihanna?) I’m supposed to believe that a Christian woman went ahead and married a porn addicted abuser, knowing for two years he had been a porn-addicted abuser, then had two children with him?
Here’s the link to Charisma: http://www.charismanews.com/world/53402-why-pastor-saeed-abedini-s-wife-kept-his-abuse-secret-until-now
Do Christian journalists turn off their brains when they hear “pastor” and “pornography” and “abuse”?
The Christian feminists no longer even try to hide their alignment with radical secular feminists
If we’re going to believe the Bible, can we really say that people who self-identify as a “Christian feminist” can actually be Christian? Is this even possible?
By the way, this is different from what had been reported in the first post in this series, i.e. that the abuse started “early in their marriage”. Charisma reports the abuse began in 2002; but they married in 2004.
Again: Am I really supposed to believe a Christian woman married a porn addicted abusive pastor, knowing he was porn-addicted and abusive, and then had two kids with him through the porn addiction and abuse? She then publicly agitated for his release for 3 years, gaining notoriety and gathering support for her (and his) cause for those three years, knowing (once again) he’s a porn addicted abuser?
I’m really supposed to believe this?
Do the Iranian authorities allow him to get porn in prison? He is abusive to her by telephone from jail? Sounds suspicious, to put it mildly…
As we drift to a reductionist materialist world view subjective experiences ‘feels’ become the standard bearer of truth.
The biblical exhortation of Dokimazo is subverted and the universals cease being objective realities to which the subjective must conform but become servants of the subjective. Sin becomes the good.
It’s interesting to see how churches are conforming to this meta narrative and the mental gymnastics they engage in to rationalise sins.
The prostitute who is ashamed of her profession has more righteousness than these sorry sods, like the tax collector at least she recognises the eternal truth unlike these Pharisees.
I’m really supposed to believe this?
Well … the “Christian” feminists believe it.
That’s enough reason for any rational man to disbelieve it IMO.
I don’t know this specific publication, but there have long been far left leaning Christians of various stripes, and not just the mainline folks. I wouldn’t read too much into what is published in the name of Christianity unless we have an understanding of the source.
The real concerning publication here is Christianity Today, founded by Billy Graham and considered to be the flagship magazine of Evangelical Christianity. They are in the process of becoming full on SJW but you don’t hear it talked about.
To repeat a point I’ve made before: if you are someone who is involved in left wing Christianity, etc., you already know what you signed up for. Those places generally make very clear how they reject traditional conservative ministry and orthodox Christianity. The biggest threat to men is from traditionally conservative Catholic and Evangelical institutions, who very serious, “all-in” Christian men will tend to trust as authoritatively teaching the word of God.
I’m really supposed to believe this?
Deti, Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia…
Wikipedia says Saeed converted to Christianity in 2000 at age 20. Wikipedia also says Saeed and Naghmeh married in 2002. This Fox News web article with a date of January 2013 says Naghmeh met Saeed in Iran in 2001, and they then married in 2004 in Iran under the Khatami regime and were allowed to marry in a Christian ceremony in Iran. They were living together as a married couple in Iran until late 2005 when they fled to the US. In recent years they’d been living in Boise, Idaho, near Naghmeh’s parents.
Here’s the FN article:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/17/wife-christian-pastor-on-edge-as-husband-faces-hanging-judge-in-iranian-court/
Dalrock, re: “Something this destructive can’t last forever, but in the meantime it will do immense damage to Christian families around the West.” I’m reminded of Deuteronomy 32:35:
‘Vengeance is Mine, and retribution,
In due time their foot will slip;
For the day of their calamity is near,
And the impending things are hastening upon them.’
We have to believe that through this, God is in control. This situation is nothing new. Read 2 Timothy, for example, where it appears that false teachers have taken control of the church at Ephesus. Paul reminds Timothy that this is to be expected, saying, “But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” (2 Tim 3:13-15)
It’s worth studying the instructions that Paul gave Timothy in dealing with that situation. They are highly relevant to us today.
“”Naghmeh felt that the abuse she experienced at the hands of her husband is acceptable, and it is only now that she realises otherwise.
“Women with strong religious backgrounds often are less likely to believe that violence against them is wrong,” said Walker.””
Love how she dovetails perfectly from generic abuse to violence. We will shortly hear he has been beating her via skype with a discipline paddle.
Again, the whole porn issue is a misnomer based off the bad translation of Mat 5:28. We REALLY need to get the correct version out there and stop this madness, or almost everyman will be its prey.
I’m pretty sure Saeed’s access to porn as we know it in the US would have been pretty difficult to find in hardline, ultraconservative Muslim Iran. According to news articles both Saeed and Naghmeh met in Iran where Saeed was ministering; and where Naghmeh was also living. They were living for quite a while in Iran.
So…. we’re supposed to believe Saeed was setting up orphanages while simultaneously feeding his porn addiction deep in hardline ultraconservative Muslim territory?
Do the Iranian authorities allow him to get porn in prison?
1st – they let him watch porn so he can sexually “abuse” his wife.
2nd – they let him Skype so he can further “abuse” her by not talking to her in the correct tone.
3rd – they let him use Skype yet again so he can “beat” his wife with his eyebrows (I’ve been told by a reputable church goer that if a man bats his eyes at his wife he IS beating her).
4th – I have it on good authority that the Iranians secretly fly him home regularly to beat his wife in the old fashion way.
So there you have it. “Abuse” from a pastor who is jailed in a 3rd world anti-Christian hell hole on the other side of the world.
How can you guys be so heartless so as to NOT immediately condemn this guy WITHOUT the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses or any evidence what so ever?
@deti, burka porn ? saucy….
Sorry everyone, the above image is NotSafeForWorkInIran.
Let’s get real, you can access internet porn in Iran. I doubt you can do it from inside of a prison, however.
“”Naghmeh felt that the abuse she experienced at the hands of her husband is acceptable, and it is only now that she realises otherwise.
“Women with strong religious backgrounds often are less likely to believe that violence against them is wrong,” said Walker.””
Huh?
By her own account, Naghmeh was a Christian woman, brought up Christian in the US, from age 9, and apparently working/volunteering as a Christian missionary in Iran when she met Saeed as a young woman.
We’re supposed to believe a woman raised from girlhood in the US as a Christian believed (“felt”) that “abuse” is “acceptable”? And we’re supposed to believe that she’s JUST NOW, in her early 30s, figured out that abuse is not acceptable?
Iran+China I think do have pretty big firewalls inplace block alot of things, facebook pages included.
You can access internet porn in Iran? Really? We’re led to believe here in the West that Shiite Islam is strictly against that sort of sexual immorality and that porn in any form is illegal there. So I’m a bit surprised to hear that internet porn is accessible in Iran.
This whole story is getting less and less credible with every mouse click.
I’m supposed to believe internet porn (or, for that matter, any porn at all) is available in the Islamic Republic of Iran, a Muslim theocracy, governed under sharia law?
Seriously?
OK, I’ve polluted this comment thread enough. The rest of you all can have at it. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.
This whole story is getting less and less credible with every mouse click.
I’m not sure this is possible. From the beginning it was unbelievable to me.
http://nypost.com/2014/08/30/inside-modern-iran-where-porn-and-prostitution-are-rampant/
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Pornography
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/29/world/iran-is-trying-to-curb-porn-and-politics-on-web.html
I’d be shocked if you can’t easily set up a proxy server or something to bypass any porn related filters on Iran’s internet.
“she finally cracked and admitted”
As if there had been some big gallery of jury members waiting upon baited breath for her to “finally” admit (‘concede’) what everyone knew to be true…whew. Thankfully she pulled through and put it out there.
Wow, this is freaking bizarro world stuff now. Can’t you just see if this guy ever GOT free (doubtful) and landed on the tarmac, the first questions would be:
“Tell us about the beatings….how long were you doing it to her and what type of belts did you use”
“It must have been torture, mental and emotional….for her….what caused you to abandon her and move back to Iran…was it their hate of women?”
The Christian feminists no longer even try to hide their alignment with radical secular feminists. .
Even this is giving them more credit than they deserve. It’s a mistake to regard any woman who proudly wears the feminist label as a Christian. Their religion is not Christ. Their religion is Feminism; Occasionally, they will sprinkle some Jesus on it and consider themselves fireproof.
“I’d be shocked if you can’t easily set up a proxy server or something to bypass any porn related filters on Iran’s internet.”
Would a prominent high profile Christian man, working openly and notoriously as a Christian missionary in hardline Shiite Muslim caliphate Iran, governed under some of the toughest sharia law currently in existence, with his every move being watched and documented by hostile government agents and hardline Muslim leaders, work to set up a proxy server for the express purpose of accessing porn?
We’re to believe a pastor, married to Naghmeh (who from her photos is plenty attractive) and living with her, would risk his life and that of his wife and family of origin, just so he could access porn?
My main point, deti, is that he sure isn’t watching porn in jail. But we shouldn’t go too far ourselves in saying things that can’t be backed up. It’s certainly possible – though we have no evidence – that he was consuming porn prior to being arrested. Given the extremely high levels of porn consumption among men, even Christian men, we should not dismiss the possibility.
Which is not to say that I believe these ludicrous allegations by the wife. They are are basically physically impossible.
By the way, given the stories we read every day about some ruining his life engaging in ludicrously risky sexual behavior despite “having it all”, we shouldn’t dismiss the power of the male sex drive to motivate people into almost anything. I myself used to do absolutely crazy things when all the incentives, even from a worldly perspective, said it was stupid.
I wish I had a portmanteau already configured for this, but I believe that what will happen next, given our culture (and the Christian culture of the US, that remains), is that she will essentially have to expand further to explain this. She won’t have any choice.
A touch of Narcissism (going on talk shows, Christian podcasts, talking to these Christian websites) thinking she can just talk without more holes coming up, will accidentally, if you will, (Barbara) “Streisand effect” this to where Naghmeh may have to drift into Long Dong Silver (Anita Hill)-Duke Rape Hoax “They actually were holding me up in the air in the bathroom, raping me” territory…the media’s need to learn more, obsess about this and her inability to turn this story off, so to speak, will lead it to become even MORE bizarre, to where it eventually is even more farcical–which will lead to the usual “Well, whatever happened, only the two of them really know” (a concession of plausible guilt laid upon men when the convenient stories crumble). Like, we all know “something” happened, because women don’t lie (unless they are accusing Bill Clinton).
possible portmanteaus: StreisDuke (duker/duked).
Usage:
“She eventually started saying things like, that he forced her to watch porn after picking her up for church, and beat her when she cried and said she wanted to confess her robbed innocence to Pastor Driscoll…the whole thing got really Streisduked up, and her narrative become more outlandish”
The cultural and Christian takeaway is, “well…the fact that she brought up how women still have to deal with Muslim-turned-Christian-porn-loving-women-beating pastors who then flee to Iran to get arrested and thrown in prison, is the underlying truth we need to really talk about”
Accessing and consuming porn as a run of the mill Christian pastor in a basically free, open, capitalist society like the US is a hell of a lot different from accessing and consuming porn as a high profile Christian pastor in hardline, fundamentalist, totalitarian, Shiite Muslim caliphate Iran where your every move is being watched.
That said, Neguy, your points are well taken. Fair enough.
NEguy
I myself used to do absolutely crazy things when all the incentives, even from a worldly perspective, said it was stupid.
Ok. So how many years did you live in Iran as a missionary, again?
And by the way, there’s no evidence of any US crime by this man. None. Unless you have some?
Honestly, it’s way late in the day to put any credence into public high-tech lynchings by feminists. Even conservative feminists with a Jesus fish glued to the back of their SUV, mind you.
Looks like the churchian church can all get side jobs as commentators on ESPN.
So get it out there. Or did I miss where you explained what the entirely different meaning of greek was?
Completely insane claims about domestic violence against women have been everywhere for decades. See http://acrosswalls.org/section/gender-imprisonment/domestic-violence/criminal-suspicion/
One wonders whether Naghmeh’s “friends” have whispered to her with all sorts of sweet rationalizations that led her to the conclusion that, yes, indeed, she was abused.
What changes is the context, never the characters. Whether it is the church ladies in a Christian context or whether it is a bunch of radical lesbians talking to their one married friend, the message never changes.
The craven behavior of Christian institutions to destroy a man is well understood and familiar. It is an added reason for why men hate going to church, a pity because the Gospel of Jesus needs men to propagate it, with women as proven unreliable witnesses. I recall Father’s day opening prayer with us all reminded of “the abuse that occurs in Christian families” – despite Christian households statistically being the lowest category of violence, neglect or any other measure.
What the Hell could possibly be wrong with consuming porn in jail? It is not like he is taking something from his wife. Yet these SAME people exhort women to deny their husbands sexually and that is taking something from him. What is going on in the world? Why can Christians believe this story? How can these “experts” be allowed to LIE- “women rarely lie about these things.
Are..you…serious? They lie ALL the time. They CONSTANTLY LIE. They claim abuse in 40-50% of Divorce cases. They lie when the police come to the scene of the fight. They lie in court later. Women lie all the time about sex and to avoid confrontation and to better their social position. It is like oxygen to them- they can’t live without it.
Looks like the churchian church can all get side jobs as commentators on ESPN.
Not to mention guest slots on The View and Rachel Maddow’s PMSNBC show…
I am beginning to think that a lot of Christian opposition to Islam (or any Middle Easterner, not even a Muslim, in this case), is just to feed their whiteknighting fetish.
No wonder that 70% of Western converts to Islam are women. The cuckservatives are forcing women to go to the last place where women can receive the treatment they are hardwired to crave.
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I just thought of an interesting test. Find a churchgoing conservative feminist, and ask her how she’d react to the idea of nonclosted, i.e. openly honest lesbians attending her church. Then find out how she’d feel about a heterosexual couple that practices male headship openly attending her church. Which case would induce some sympathy, which would lead to some degree of outrage? Which pair is favored by the popular culture and which is denegrated by that culture?
Which pair would she feel compelled to welcome, which pair would she tend to reject?
Ah, but which one is in line with text from the Bible, and which case is not? I think this could provide some real entertainment in certain denominations, for men with the right sense of humor.
PS: This exercise would likely demonstrate the known preference women have for supporting other women vs. men, the “in-group preference”. The small research done demonstrated a female in-group preference at a ratio of 4:1.
There’s a feedback loop of divorce and abuse. You’ve noted the trouble feminists have in making the reality of divorce appealing. Even if they’re collecting cash an prizes divorce is still considered a loss. It makes women deeply unhappy. At the same time, divorce is absolutely necessary for the woman to be independent and thereby properly empowered.
Claims of real abuse are successful in obtaining a more favorable (less discomforting) divorce for her, so the incentive is to claim abuse as much as possible. Every unhappiness can be an abuse when an unhappy woman really thinks about it.
The speed of the insanity is an issue of perception, I think. The foundations under us were fully divested and subverted in the 18th and 19th centuries with the rise of open “man bad, woman good” thinking. It’s the fall of the crust of Christian civilization into the hollow beneath that is fast.
Probably she’s found some new guy while her husband’s away. Hence the need to find some “abuse.” Obviously this is just speculation.
And how in the world does a man abuse his wife “sexually”?
JDG @ 6:49 pm:
“I’m really supposed to believe this?
Well … the “Christian” feminists believe it.”
They probably don’t believe it, either, but her accusation is useful for their purposes so they run with it. These are people who do not believe in the concept of objective truth, especially moral truth. We have our narrative and they have their narrative and the “truthful” side is whichever one silences the other. So they think.
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Anon @ 9:32 pm:
“No wonder that 70% of Western converts to Islam are women. The cuckservatives are forcing women to go to the last place where women can receive the treatment they are hardwired to crave.”
I’ve heard a few of those poster-girl converts have recently been savagely murdered while trying to escape Islam. What women are hardwired to crave is very bad for them… and their husbands… and their children.
Self-control, ladies. Look it up. Do it.
What I perceived the last Skype Message was like:
Saeed: Hello baby. I love you! I am so glad to see you. It has been a very rough week.
Naghmeh: Hello Honey I am so glad to see you too! (Man you look like hell. And you have aged 20 years since I last saw you!)
Saeed: But it is all worth it. There are rewards in heaven for both of us! To live is Jesus Christ and to die is gain!
Naghmeh: Yes it is honey. (That nice new believer at the church is good looking and young. He is an ex-biker with a pony tail).
Saeed: I cherish these few moments that God allows to spend with you. Remember that Paul didn’t even have anything close to what we now have.
Naghmeh: Yes darling. We need to see the Blessings that we have and be content with it. (I wonder what that other nice fellow at church is going to wear tomorrow. I miss male companionship…then again there is the drummer dude on the Harley Bike down the street..but he isn’t a Christian.)
Saeed: I can see your sadness but don’t despair. God is good and good things will come out of this. I can’t wait to see you in person again!
Naghmeh: Me too honey! (I don’t know about that….you look like hell. How will you look like when I finally get to see you in person? Honestly, you are a bit of a wimp and can’t handle punishment. Now, that nice new convert, the ex-biker with a pony tail did spend time in jail He isn’t a wimp and can handle tougher things.)
Saeed: I miss caressing you…kissing your lips…oh…I dream of you every night …this motivates me like you can’t believe.
Naghmeh: We shouldn’t talk about these things. They can hear everything we say. (Right now, the last thing I can think of us is kissing you or sleeping with you…you look like hell. Now I can think about that ex-biker new convert at the church..he is HOT!)
Saeed: We can’t talk about these things? What can these people do? After all we are married and it is expected that we have these feelings for each other!
Naghmeh: I think that you are too obsessed with sex. Think about your position as a pastor, as a symbol to these people! (Now..I can be obsessed with the ex-biker new convert at the church!)
Saeed: Please don’t say that…I am not obsessed with sex. I just love you and I miss you like crazy!
Naghmeh: You are making me uncomfortable. I don’t want to talk about this. You are abusing me and can’t stop talking about sex!! Grow up! (Hmmmm….I just figured that he is an abuser and a porn addict!)
Saeed: Bye for now honey. They are taking me back to the dungeon. I am sad that we ended our brief conversation in this manner. I love you!
Naghmeh: I love you too but pray harder and ask the Lord to fix your heart from lusting.
The next day: Naghmeh reveals to the world that her husband is an abuser porn addict. At church, everyone comes and hugs her. The one that gaves her the most comfort is the ex-biker new convert with the pony tail!
Drew
Even if she didn’t have a guy the delusion of the newly singled woman with the virginal characteristics of purity is her status marker of choice. Along the same vain as Susan Smith killing her boys to make herself presentable to the local big fish that didn’t want kids. Woman know men don’t take to kindly to sluts when it comes to commitment. Being a woman that appears to honor commitment and divorced requires victimhood to restore purity to be resingled to land the commitment from the well off sucker. This is especially important for a woman passing herself off as a Christian woman of faith. As can be seen the church likes it too. Win win for all.
I agree with the principles you are posting on Dalrock, but Christianity Today has had a leftward tilt at least since I was in college in the 1980s. I am not sure it is accurate to even call it Christian, in spite of its name.
Can you people be for real? Wow. Just wow. It’s America in the present year and we STILL have people questioning the story and motives of a woman who has been abused? She has been ABUSED people!!!
And even if it ultimately turns out that some of her facts don’t fit with your hopelessly patriarchal notion of reality, what would that prove other than the existence of an all-pervasive institutionalized misogyny? I mean… Duh…?
Bottom line: How can you seriously bemoan the destruction of a bad man if it increases a woman’s happiness?
I’m starting to get a bad feeling that this is becoming an unsafe space for women (and those who love and respect them). This should not be allowed in America in the present year. Especially by those who purport to call themselves Christians.
Self-control, ladies. Look it up. Do it.
C’mon now, you know perfectly well that women aren’t hardwired for that. That’s why the Patriarchy existed: to exercise that control for them because they can’t do it themselves.
Something this destructive can’t last forever, but in the meantime it will do immense damage to Christian families around the West.
Well, hey, who in the West cares about Christian families anyway (hint: not most churches, given their overt institutional apathy, if not outright hostility, toward such families’ formation and sustainment)?
@Ernst Schreiber says: November 25, 2015 at 8:15 pm
“”Again, the whole porn issue is a misnomer based off the bad translation of Mat 5:28. We REALLY need to get the correct version out there and stop this madness, or almost everyman will be its prey.”
So get it out there. Or did I miss where you explained what the entirely different meaning of greek was?”
I have many times on this blog with various (poor) results, you will get the odd one who can see it, but its very offensive to most. When you have believed something for 40years, its very hard indeed to change that view even with evidence.
@Ernst Schreiber, this is a good post talking about the various issues on this text.
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/02/19/custody-of-the-heart/#comment-166033
Hawk&Rock
Were you just being sarcastic? Or was that a real post?
@ greyghost
The fact that we have to ask if that comment is sarcasm is case & point of the quagmire of our current environment.
I’d like to believe it is sarcasm………..but it is even more probable that it was an actual sentiment by an angry (is there any other kind?) feminist.
thank you for the link Minesweeper. Happy Thanksgiving.
And thank you for breaking away from the empire and forming your own colony and depriving us of tax revenue !! After WW2, we forgive you. 🙂
The comment I was meant to link to is a page above what I posted.
@Casey,
Was Herodias happier when the man who abused her could no longer do so?
The answer is yes. And that’s precisely where all inquiry into these kinds matters should end. Is the woman happier? If yes — end of story. Let her move on to try to rebuild her life. Any other response is only a perpetuation of the abuse.
Please be respectful of those who have suffered.
Happy Thanksgiving.
And thanks for giving us your Black Friday riots !
oooeeerrrr, that sounded racist, that was meant for the shops, 4000 people fighting over a 42″Tv in ASDA, not something we are used to seeing in the UK.
*NOT used to seeing in the UK.
My post was incomplete. If the woman is not happier after the abuser has been destroyed, then obviously there are more abusive men somewhere in her life who must also be named and neutralized.
There remains much hard work to be done. Much.
Happy Thanksgiving.
sigh, bring back editing comments, all is forgiven. but in wordpress, every comment is forever.
@ Drew
And how in the world does a man abuse his wife “sexually”?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Marcus could link a video showing us how to properly abuse our wives sexually. Maybe it involves choreplay somehow. And pedestalization and supplication.
H&R, do you think the US Attorney General should bring sexual, emotional, mental, fiscal, physical abuse charges against him in absentia ?
*because he is a bbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddd man ??????????????????
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34921372/these-young-women-are-fighting-against-groping-at-gigs
Gropegate ! Im callin it for all you gropy men out there!
We live in a Groping culture and it must be stopped.
@minesweeper,
US authorities should do everything in their power to free this man so that he can be put to productive work ASAP. Although the damages to his victim are incalculable, I assure you that state courts and agencies are already in place that have a ball park figure in mind. He needs to pay. How much? As much as it takes for her to be able to live a good life by American standards. You can’t make that kind of scratch sitting in some muzzie prison.
@H&R
Should the USA invade Iran to capture him and put him to work in the USA to pay for his abused wife and children ? Maybe also drag him through the streets behind a 4×4 so he can be publicly shamed (abit more).
H&R Im assuming its an error on your part but you missed out that he needs to earn enough so that she can house+feed a replacement full time lover to console and comfort her while she heals from his decades of abuse.
@minesweeper,
Invasion is beyond my pay grade but I will say this — no act is outrageous when done in the interest of furthering the cause of social justice.
I will also say that income should be imputed to him (including interest and penalties) for the time he has spent dodging justice in Iran.
JUSTICE FOR NEGHMEH!!!!!
Minesweeper
You are on a roll tonight/this mourning must have had a couple beers for the holiday. Outstanding. I remember them crowded club days with them girls dragging their asses across your crouch working through the crowd. The Englishmen are some real losers coasting of what men that fought WW2 and before have done.
@minesweeper,
Enough money for her “emotional support” (in whatever form she chooses) is, of course, baked into the definition of “a good life by American standards”.
We’re not barbarians.
Fourteen years ago, while we were separated but not yet divorced, my wife and I were ordered by the Family Court to undergo “mediation” regarding my access to my two sons through the government body Relationships Australia. My wife had ready been automatically granted custody of my boys. Our mediator was, of course, a woman. Rather than my wife claiming I was abusive to her, she instead raised the spectre that she believed my sons were in danger from me. She fell short of claiming I abused my sons, but rather created a spectre. I called out her lie, but the spectre had been raised. The Family Court awarded me 3 hours on a Wednesday evening and 7 hours on a Saturday. Generous, huh?! I stuck with the “Parenting Plan” for a few weeks but I found I couldn’t live with the spectre she had created. It’s incredible the destruction that women, and the Family Court, wreak.
@GG, luckily im not an englishman 😉
Snowy
Women involved see no destruction at all. In fact they see themselves as making things right and better for society and women. Anything good for any woman is good for society and they believe that completely. Nothing will change that after all that belief is enforced by law and now by God (church) so as far as they are concerned they are proper stewards of civilization. Never forget that in any interaction with women. Sooner or later they will have concentration camps for men in Australia and the UK. And nobody will bat an eye.
@Snowy,
I am sorry you have been ground up too. Sadly, your story is all too typical.
There is no greater destroyer of the love, goodwill and mutual support naturally inherent in families than the family court industrial complex. Nothing else comes close. They have $trong incentive to magnify any natural and common friction into some dangerous disfunction and to manufacture friction out of whole cloth where none previously existed. Put simply — it ruins lives and spreads misery on a massive scale.
To others — There is no greater danger to the family than the family court system. Once it gets its hooks in you, you’re all done. Avoid it at all costs.
@Cane,
I agree this is old. While we can always be smart-asses and point to the Garden the modern push started at least as far back as the 1880’s (I’m not sure if I’d go so far as the 1700’s as you do) where we saw the rise of female preachers in Protestant America during the Third Great Awakening. Included in this is the political religious movements of the time like the Women’s Christian Temperance Union that led to the political “reforms” of the 1920’s.
At that point men had decided it was dandy for women to tell them what was moral and had ceded their authority in a very Esau like way. And they’ve been running with that ever since.
@GG
Absolutely, they just can’t see what they are sowing. I both find it strange guys are getting married, moving in with girls, having kids etc. at the same time seeing very attractive women in their 30’s/40’s not even get dates, and having girls half my age hit on me.
The whole thing is bizarre. And nothing makes sense.
With guys being reprimanded and branded abusive rapists (in training) during fresher weeks, the message is coming down hard that any allegation and you will be utterly ruined. And if you can’t trust a stranger in the Uni bar you met 2 mins ago, how can you trust a wife for 40 years to not make a false accusation?
I can’t see how this is going to play out at all, aside from the fact I want nothing to do with it ever again. Its going to get to the stage men will have to have their smartphones on and recording at all times even in public. Just to be safe.
Looking back 25 years ago, I couldn’t have imagined our present relationships between the sex’s.
What I don’t seem to get in the tinder\\hookup culture is why they are not terrified of false allegations ? Its ripe for it surely.
Minesweeper
I remember my clubbing days to meet women around 86′ 87′ or so and At the time a man was in good standing if he was employed had his own car and place to stay. After that being a fun person to be around was good to go. And it was you could do the usual talking shit but you were free to be kind and respectful and it was responded to positively by the female. a Commitment to a girl was gold. Now days any man foolish enough to do shit that is a creep on his way to be registered as a sex offender or be a lonely loser at best. No where in society not even the church is a man like that respected or appreciated at all. Any man that expects anything from that behavior is an abusive and sexist jerk. any I would not tell a young man that way today not even my son.
I would never have my son get involved with any woman beyond a booty call. Right now he is 10 so we have a few years to get this civil war off the ground if Obama’s new immigrant voters don’t do it for us. There is no wife by law and MGTOW is the only way to take care of yourself because nobody else is. The evil thing is , the more loving and caring a man is with desire to be a respected member of society the harsher and more cruelly he is treated on all fronts. MGTOW is more that not getting married MGTOW is a way for men to live in a society in such a way as to avoid being punished for being a male. Everything I’ve spoken about is enforced by law blue pill delusions or not.
“Again, the whole porn issue is a misnomer based off the bad translation of Mat 5:28. We REALLY need to get the correct version out there and stop this madness, or almost everyman will be its prey.”
As someone who’s struggled quite a bit in this area, I concur. But the genophobic seeds have been sown into Evangelicalism for centuries now.
Way too little, way too late.
“@feeriker says:
November 26, 2015 at 3:57 am”
Dude, it’s doing damage to Christian and non-Christian families alike.
@greyghost , yep, as a man you are allowed to enjoy freedom until any female decides otherwise.
My son dosn’t show any interest in female yet and has been fully skilled up as to what the situation currently is. He himself said out of seeing almost everyone get divorced he thought it was 100% female initiated, also in regards to children why would you want to have a kid you get to see once a fortnight ? And ive schooled him well regarding alimony law and how the law considers your joint earnings.
Ive been teaching him alot regarding false allegations. ANd why would you ever get involved with someone who can’t match your income ? They would be incentivised to divorce.
He has seen the right royal screwing over I got in the divorce, if thats not seared into both of our memories I don’t know what is.
He has stated he would be terrified if I ever got married again and I for him.
Sadly, even you get the odd female bemoaning her lonely childless station, it’s not enough yet to be visible, compared to the legions of men who have been ruined. I would have thought they would be reaping what they have sowed by now but Im not seeing it, at most for most of them, its a minor inconvenience not having some guy subsidise their life or who they can abuse with no comeback.
Maybe it will be like the financial crash, it just becomes more and more insane while looking like everythings A-OK, until the system collapses under its own insanity.
If you can’t enjoy women, family, church, earning goals etc. What the heck is left ?
Minesweeper @ 10:02 am:
“What I don’t seem to get in the tinder\\hookup culture is why they are not terrified of false allegations?”
Same reason poor men don’t get sued. If they think you aren’t worth looting then they won’t try. The more random/anonymous the hookup is, the easier it is to pretend you’re a surfer bum on welfare between boy-band gigs.
The corollary, of course, is that honesty and prolonged association with women are what put a man at risk of being destroyed. God help the man who is recognized by a slut as valuable.
Happy Holiday to all my American brothers and sisters, and thanks to the author for this important series of articles.
For the rest of you fellas — these idiots are all on twitter. Talk back to them!
You guys who are Christians have a special obligation to politely but firmly realtalk this woman into feeling embarrassed for her unfounded accusations. You can be civil while still demanding evidence for this lunacy, and then when she can’t pony up, asking her to apologize and retract this nonsense.
Boxer
Happy Holiday to all my American brothers and sisters, and thanks to the author for this important series of articles.
For the rest of you fellas — these idiots are all on twitter. Talk back to them!
hxxps://twitter.com/herbiemarcuse/status/669936245154295808
You guys who are Christians have a special obligation to politely (but firmly) realtalk this woman into feeling embarrassed for her unfounded accusations. You can be civil while still demanding evidence for this lunacy, and then when she can’t pony up, asking her to apologize and retract this nonsense.
Boxer
There has recently been talk about unwelcome cultural importations (often from America) but I have to inform you that we would not do it if we did not want to; that plus the lacks of native Turkeys, and Native Aboriginees means you will have to and without, even in spirit, the assistance of your coalition partners, celebrate, all on your own, Thanksgiving Day. Meanwhile the rest of the world can rest safely without having to wonder what is happening with the DOW.
“You guys who are Christians have a special obligation to politely (but firmly) realtalk this woman into feeling embarrassed for her unfounded accusations. You can be civil while still demanding evidence for this lunacy, and then when she can’t pony up, asking her to apologize and retract this nonsense.”
For some reason men keep making this same mistake endlessly. You can’t reason with an illogical creature Boxer. That’s not going to cut it. On top of their natural irrationality they have no incentive whatsoever to listen.
GunnerQ
Nailed it don’t be a presentable target. No honesty and no kindness and you are left along
@GQ, no, lots of stories of wealthy young men using tinder in salon etc, women complaining as they cant get comitment\money out of them. They dont seem to be getting hit even when they are high status, maybe its just the poor inexperienced slebs, not the tinder pro’s.
@GQ, Tinder particularly in NY and other cities. Maybe false rape is going on, you just dont hear it.
ORRRR is it because contact was made via a “fuc8-me now” app with the text convo addressing how quickly can they have sex there is little possibility that they will be believed with a false allegation. Fast food relationships.
Maybe Tinder is the new model of “safe space” relationships. 🙂 Maybe the internet is routing around feminist insanity.
You’re missing the point. There’s a huge social vacuum that’s been filled by pozzed out feminists and other weirdos. Normal people, who are asleep or on the fence, think we don’t exist, because we never speak up in public.
Twitter is pretty much anonymous, so there’s no reason not to open your mouth once in a while.
*because he is a bbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddd man ??????????????????
What makes him a bad man in christo- feminism? He did not make his wife happy and overcome by the grief of her discontent she accused him of the most odious awful sins that any man could commit in christo-feminsm – PORN – it is worse than rape, theft or genocide – it is the unforgivable sin the blasphemy of the holy spirit and it makes women feel a little bad. PORN is prima facie ABUSE. Not your grandfather’s abuse of beating, bruising and breaking bones, but abuse 2.0 which includes any of the following: physical abuse, mental abuse, spiritual abuse, emotional abuse, financial abuse, and anything else that a woman does not like. A PORN addict, which is any man who ever looked at a woman to lust at any time, is so addicted to their sin they are obviously guilty of abuse. The seriousness of the charges not the evidence is what is preeminent, and the charge of PORN is as serious as can be when a woman’s feelings of control are at stake. The modern christo-feminists of both sexes are making the Salem Witch Trials look like a paragon of justice and due process.
Jim
Never forget the fundamentals. Knowing the nature of women what would the best method of shaming for this woman be? Know your women anything that involves the slight concern about anybody but herself is meaningless. (abortion killing of a helpless child is legal) The only shaming that will work is for a Christian preacher or anybody use her as an example why men shouldn’t marry. Also remind all how even a Christian woman shows no loyalty to her husband and will violate the faith with scripture compared to her actions and how she is an example why men don’t marry and should not. Make it loud and public. Any female support should be seen as all women are like that and he is right. Any prayers for her should be that she suffers from her betrayal of her husband. Any man that would comfort should be publicly seen as a man that will sleep with the devil for pussy and enabling evil.
If it doesn’t effect her it doesn’t matter. Women will see a nuclear holocaust with mountains of headless bodies in the street and not give a shit. As soon as it looked like her headless body would join the pile it is a different story. It is not enough for the lights to have been out for 2 or three years due to civil war. No it has to be a man with a hack saw standing in front of her before she thinks it is time to lose the empowerment. That is how they are. See the black community.
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Boxer
I work the hell out of the comments on all of the articles I find on the net. Especially Yahoo. Never really got into other social media. I don’t know the slightest about twitter and how it works. Would be an interesting place to drop some red pills.
greyghost:
sign up and troll, man. more people talking down these idiots, the better.
happy thanksgiving!
boxer
Charisma magazine has doubled down A rumor that a pastor is in sexual abuse –“secret sexual abuse” — means that you should leave. On accusation.
The combox is full of people justifying leaving their churches or going back and conffronting them. Taking Jim’s comment to heart, and since when one links to error you should give them fair warning, I left this at their place.
Crossposting as I pretty much guarantee it will be taken down.
Can the brethren dogpile thie comment box there and correct the error? I need to go to work 😛
Dear Pukeko60:
Here’s my contribution. Happy Thanksgiving!
It sounds to me like the author is counseling people to leave a situation where they’re being told to do things they feel uncomfortable with. This can be good advice in cases where one is being encouraged to commit crimes against people or property, but not all things that make us uncomfortable are “bad”. In fact, most of the best advice people have been given over the course of their lives probably felt “bad” or “unhealthy” at first. e.g. “quit smoking cigarettes,” “quit having random sex with strangers,” and “get off your ass and get a real job.”
If the Christian churches are just parroting back all the politically correct nonsense we see in popular media, then what good do they do?
Troll on!
Boxer
Hay Boxer, I looked at the Twit-thing, whatever that is (have not, will not, ever ..) and some burd was squalling about you being a (bitter basement-dwelling bearded pipesmoking .. you know ..).
She vehemently asserted an “IQ of twice that”. What was the “that”?
I’m guessing the ballpark 90 you pinned on “lawyers” ( a vast grab-bag category, from hack, thru drone, to mad genius, as Fr. Opus may affirm).
I very much doubt she exceeds every IQ score known to humanity by about 10%, unless it’s something called WISC-IV, which like Spinal Tap’s amp goes up to
eleven210.It’s too mad. I ain’t going back there without some lolbait.
Don’t these people have jobs and chores and stuff? I’m officially saddened on their behalf (since they’re too busy).
And how in the world does a man abuse his wife “sexually”?
By asking for sex.
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Whoever said it earlier, yes, Christianity vs. Islam, for the “secular” (“Ethnic Christians” of the US) is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MORE than White Knighting, which is why almost all wanna be Alphas and confirmed Betas, when discussing, start their arguments against Islam like, “but they way you treat women” or talk about FGM (Clitorectomies), as if male circumcision was any different (and is even practiced by Christians who are not required to do so). FGM was part of those African cultures BEFORE Islam, anyhow.
And lastly, you wanna talk Sharia? Go into an American, Canadian, UK or Aussie Family Law Court, and tell me who is subject to Sharia in those cases.
In Islam, we recognize who women are—they are all just a few whispers away from the Salem Witch trials.
I don’t want to get too political or argue religions here (It’s Dalrock’s Blog after all), but are American men really all giddy to pick up arms to essentially defend Feminism and all the Beta butt droppings it’s left in it’s path around the common culture? I served in the US Armed Forces but I would not suggest my sons (or daughters) do so.
Saeed probably made the mistake of asking her for some affection via Skype/telephone, with or without the inducement of his captors. Putting that kind of pressure on a woman is just…..just………bwhahhhaaaahahaah…….horrible.
On the flip side now the wifey is super-heroine material as she went out and did so much to stand by her abusive man, even to the point of seeking his release from a justly deserved imprisonment. Surely, Heaven is waiting with bated breath for her arrival at their gates….
On October 23rd Nag Me (no Roissy, not Neg me) flew from Boise to a Women’s Refuge Center in North Carolina and tweeted that it was so hard for her to leave her children. A linked selfie on Instagram showed a very good looking and heavily made-up Neg Me without a hair out of place.
Before her husband’s arrest, had anyone ever heard of her?
Well, I’m thankful we’ve got Dalrock.
That’s all.
“Christian domestic violence advocates are to the modern Church what the Red Guards were to Mao’s China.”
Yeah. Once the Guards became an established industry.
The Red Guards grew from extremist academics in ideo-political cells, which mao-mao recognized as useful to his megalomania. China’s cultural ‘revolution’ occurred in the late Sixties, contemporaneous with America’s own movements, which have retained the political fanaticism but left behind the Love. Gee it’s almost as if a single intelligence was . . . nah.
An early Guard commando —
“So if Chairman Mao is our Red-Commander-in-Chief and we are his Red soldiers, who can stop us? First we will make China red from inside out and then we will help the working people of other countries make the world red…And then the whole universe.”
Well at least he was honest. No they’re not kidding. Sounds like Isaiah 14:13.
Ideas: what do young Catholics need right now? {dating and relationships}
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=989028
http://verilymag.com/2015/11/the-most-important-trait-im-looking-for-in-a-man
This chick obviously found another dude and needs to “create” a domestic violence myth to shield her from any judgement of her “moving on” to another goober.
Yeah, Ben it’s as simple as that. Call it branch swinging, moving up, or hypergamy, ain’t anything new under the sun, as the Good Book says.
Fascinating. He is the one in prison. He is the one being tortured. But somehow this is all about her and her feelings. Radical feminism ain’t got nothing on modern churchianity.
“Fascinating. He is the one in prison. He is the one being tortured. But somehow this is all about her and her feelings.”
Amazing isn’t it? It’s always about them. A man can be brutally beaten and tortured but it’s STILL all about her. What we’re living under should be called “Jane Crow”. As things get worse there is becoming less and less differences between Jane Crow and Jim Crow.
Maybe Dalrock will one day come around to my way of thinking on how cunts should be handled. He’ still got a bit too much white knight in him I’m sorry to say. Gotta put them in their place by any means necessary or end up like the black man in the old South. Our choice to make.
@God is Laughing
On the flip side now the wifey is super-heroine material as she went out and did so much to stand by her abusive man, even to the point of seeking his release from a justly deserved imprisonment.
I think you just highlighted one of the glaring contradictions in this whole mess. Before her e-mail revelations, Nagmegh Abedini was a heroic wife, bravely suffering the wrongful imprisonment of her missionary husband while leading the call for his just release. But after disclosing her husband’s history of “abuse” she’s now an even greater heroine, who endured her husband’s evil before having the courage to make it public and expose the villainy of a man we’d all been praising as righteous. Even though she’d been the one to know what he really was all along.
In short, whatever the situation, the wife will always be the hero. Or the victim. Or maybe both at the same time! Just never any kind of wrongdoer.
Feminism is the ultimate “heads-I-win-tails-you-lose” proposition. “Christians” who think they can make this fit into a religion that states that all have sinned are fooling themselves.
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“I agree with the principles you are posting on Dalrock, but Christianity Today has had a leftward tilt at least since I was in college in the 1980s. I am not sure it is accurate to even call it Christian, in spite of its name.”
I would say it isn’t Christian at all. This feminazi attitude isn’t even common sense!
Dear Tam The Bam:
Yeah, nothing irks the female lawyer as much as a reminder of her own intellectual mediocrity.
As an aside, back in 2010, I took the LSAT just for fun, and scored in the mid 160s, despite never having studied for it, and being of utterly average intelligence myself (I’m an IQ 100 dude, without any doubt). It costs a couple hundred bucks, and I still get dozens of spam emails every month, from various shit-tier diploma mills, promising me a brilliant career as a courtroom asslicker if only I sign on the dotted line. I’m convinced that the LSAT is a scam for all these reasons.
Anyway: Most attorneys in North America have the equivalent of call-center jobs for little more than minimum wage, and have five figures of debt to pay off, so her strange notion that becoming solicitors/barristers/attorneys/shysters demonstrates the pinnacle of cognitive aptitude is pretty funny.
Best,
Boxer
This is my view of the Legal Profession: once, it was a Profession, but not these days. Female lawyers having acquired the merit badge of Attorney, pose; Men, for whom it is assuredly not a badge but the chance to progress, see it, as between themselves, a fight to the death, and with a lot of casualties along the way both deserved and undeserved.
Minesweeper
>at the same time seeing very attractive women in their 30’s/40’s not even get dates
You mean, “women in their 30’s/40’s who, for their age, are relatively very attractive”, right?
Sure, women in their 40s can be attractive. Mostly to their husband who married them at age 21. This is one reason why women should marry before 30.
Although, I knew a few Ukrainian women aged 29, and they looked very attractive. And one aged 31 who looked like she was 25.
Just to point out that ‘Religion News Service’ is nothing of the kind. Its workforce consists of its director – Kevin Eckstrom – and no more than a few others. It’s a website that consists of commentaries from a stable of unsalaried contributors (nearly all of them deeply mediocre as writers or thinkers) and some summaries of news content gleaned elsewhere. About 55% of its annual budget is provided by a grant from the Arcus Foundation, run by a quondam Obama Administration official (and unapologetic pervert) named Kevin Jennings. To the extent that it has any institutional purpose larger than providing employment for Kevin Eckstrom, it is to promote sodomy in evangelical circles. The site has an obsessive interest in that topic, a definite and unquestioned editorial line, and is for its sustenance hopelessly dependent upon a money-bags run by a man who is just this side of a certified pederast. Calling it Kevin Eckstrom’s Gay News would be more accurate than its long-time name. The one utility the place has is illustrating how prevalent Vichy evangelicalism is in soi-disant Christian colleges.
@Dale says:”Minesweeper
>at the same time seeing very attractive women in their 30’s/40’s not even get dates
You mean, “women in their 30’s/40’s who, for their age, are relatively very attractive”, right?”
Yes, but of course, they looked incredible 20 years ago.
I do really wonder if knowledge of whats happening is trickling down, I keep getting much younger women that my age displaying interest. I really must ask then whats going on that they would do this, I also wonder if they even know themselves or its just instinctive. Or does a man just reach a certain age, and becomes more attractive ?
It wouldnt be so strange, but there isn’t mch interest from the age group I would expect, it much lower and almost disconcerting. I do wonder if a change in the air is afoot.
@Dale, I know what you mean about the eastern europeans, met a couple of younger russians yesterday, my lord they were stunning. Physically perfect. I mean really. flawless. Extremely attractive, in feminine personality also. Very alluring indeed lets just say, very different to what Im used to seeing.
@Dale, Im kinda wondering if the lack of good jobs and opportunities for younger men is being felt and women are behaving accordingly ? For the ones with a good income they are quite independent. The younger ones without are very interested in guys who do, even if they dont want nor need it, its almost instinctual.
Like men with reproductive status in females, which would then migrate to providing for your childrens survival.
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Many comments even denying that people can be abusive over the phone. So much for ya’lls credibility. Truth out the window. And where did she ever say that he was watching porn in prison? Oh, that’s right, she didn’t. She said the abuse had gotten worse, that’s it. With details she didn’t share with any of you. You judged her.
Wow. No wonder our modern secular society have no respect for Christians. Christians have no respect for Christianity.