In response to my last post several readers challenged my observation that Lenti is an addict of asshole game, arguing that all women are like Lenti in this regard. Damn Crackers argued:
ALL women are addicted to asshole, aloof game. It is their nature.
Likewise, theasdgamer responded:
AWALT, of course. What is there about aloof jerks that women like?
But this isn’t the case. Women don’t just respond to alpha attraction traits, they also respond to beta comfort traits. Pickup artists know this, and tailor their game to the woman they are trying to seduce. I haven’t read Heartist for some time, but I know that in the past at least this was a common theme for him. For example, he explains that a woman who is a lawyer needs maximum jerk game in What A Girl’s Job Tells You (language warning on this and all following Heartiste links)
[Female lawyers are] Amoral alpha males with vaginas. Their yin is so deeply buried they spend all their free time (2 hours per week) fantasizing about a powerful dominant man releasing their inner woman. This is your cue to ratchet up the assholery.
It isn’t just how masculinized a woman is that determines her responsiveness to asshole game. A woman with an inflated ego will also respond well to asshole game. As Heartiste explains in Science Confirms Another Game Concept: Older Women Need Less Game (emphasis mine):
The 23-27 year old feels she is at her attractiveness peak, despite her peak having passed a few years earlier. This is because she is surrounded by many more high status men than she was while in college (or working at the Piggly Wiggly) who are expressing sexual interest in her. This social dynamic will work to inflate her ego beyond the bounds of her actual beauty ranking. Some consequences result from this.
NEG HARDER. The 23-27 year old will require harder negging than any other age group of women, even the hotter 18 year olds.
Conversely, try asshole game on a woman who has been humbled and you will drive her away:
So if you want to bang broads teetering on the edge of witherdom with kids and marriage and college funds dancing in their dreams, go easy on the cocky and funny and the negs. The older woman’s ego has taken enough of a bruising from the encroachment of reality; your negs will only push her into self-flagellating withdrawal or indignant lashing out. She needs to know she still has the kind of looks that can turn heads, so your cloying flattery will work wonders on her.
On the other hand, if you want to date hot girls in their 20s and, for a lucky few of them, early 30s, you have to give ’em a bit of the ol’ ultrabadness. It’s the moral thing to do, if women’s pleasure is your business.
Executive Summary: Young women are harder lays. They require game and a cocky attitude. Older women are easier lays. They require flowers, compliments and cuddles.
A woman’s mindframe matters as well, as he explains in Tough Times Are A Bounty For Betas:
In short, women who thought about their own death suddenly found feminized beta providers a lot more attractive than masculine alpha cads. This preference was largest for ovulating women, who normally show the exact opposite preference when times are good and death is a faraway abstraction.
Keep in mind that asshole game is Heartist’s stock in trade, his trademark. Yet even Heartiste is aware that not all women are seeking asshole game. This doesn’t trouble him at all, because the women he wants the most, the youngest and hottest, tend to respond quite well to his preferred style.
Getting back to Lenti, she is an extreme outlier. Her career didn’t just masculinze her, but it put her in the orbit of powerful attractive men (emphasis mine):
My life was great on paper. I had done all the right things. I went to Stanford for graduate school. I worked at the White House under Condoleezza Rice. I had the opportunity to travel the world.
All of this maximized both her ego and her craving for excitement. She required nothing in the way of beta comfort:
At the time, I was in a terrible relationship with a man who told me he wanted to be with me, but he could never love me.
Conspiciously absent in her story is any talk of the man she mistakenly left because she thought she could do better. Contrast this with Kate Bolick’s Atlantic piece All the Single Ladies, where Bolick opens with her regret that she rode the carousel for too long, and should have instead stayed with the great catch she rejected when she was 28:
In 2001, when I was 28, I broke up with my boyfriend. Allan and I had been together for three years, and there was no good reason to end things. He was (and remains) an exceptional person, intelligent, good-looking, loyal, kind. My friends, many of whom were married or in marriage-track relationships, were bewildered. I was bewildered. To account for my behavior, all I had were two intangible yet undeniable convictions: something was missing; I wasn’t ready to settle down.
The period that followed was awful. I barely ate for sobbing all the time… On bad days, I feared I would be alone forever. Had I made the biggest mistake of my life?
Ten years later, I occasionally ask myself the same question.
This is entirely missing from Lenti’s story. There is no hand wringing of should she have settled for the boring loyal dude who loved her instead of heading off in search of more excitement before settling down. Instead, Lenti describes herself as “unlovable”, having experienced a lifetime of rejection and infidelity:
…I can honestly write that I have no expectations for love, and I certainly do not believe that there is a father out there for my sons. I am not waiting and hoping, because I have lost that hope.
Lenti’s need for dark triad traits is extreme. Even post wall after a lifetime of rejection, she threw herself into one time hookups with strange men. She was still seeking pure alpha asshole, at an age where as Heartiste has observed nearly all women are strongly seeking beta comfort. She tells us the men she had sex with when she was 38 rejected her over and over, without even texting her the next day:
Dating amounted to small talk with a stranger, who you had briefly interfaced with online because you each thought the other attractive. The small talk was a prelude to hooking up, and there were no expectations even of a text the next day.
It was brutal. And after trying my hand at it, I was no closer to finding the love of my life or starting a family.
Even as a single mother over 40, she clearly is still seeking out men who pump and dump her:
Why have I lost that hope? Truth be told, I have been vulnerable with a few men pre- and post-pregnancy. But rejection upon rejection by man after man will do it to you.
Conventional wisdom is that women like Lenti lack self esteem, but as she explains, only the most attractive men meet her demanding standards:
And so I began my search with a focus on the physical attributes that I have always been attracted to — namely height and athleticism. Six-foot-2 and toned was my baseline.
Conventional wisdom is that women like Lenti lack self esteem,
But of course she has more than enouth self esteem and YouGoGirl Moxie for multiple women, combined with a rationalization hamster the size of a capybara. Thus a perfect role model for the modern 20-something woman. “See? See? You can too Have It All – degrees, career, men, babies! Just do it all on your own terms!”
One cannot help but pity her two offspring.
“And so I began my search with a focus on the physical attributes that I have always been attracted to — namely height and athleticism. Six-foot-2 and toned was my baseline.”
Hmm … it doesn’t occur to her that her target man also has a baseline, and she doesn’t qualify. Like a guy with a menial job who walks past the Chevy dealer who tells himself that nothing less than a top of the line Corvette is good enough for him.
Even those with low self esteem will cling to her demands of what she wants like life raft from a sinking ship as the wall rapidly approaches.
The hamster is strong or perhaps even stronger with these types.
If she’s such a strong independent woman who used a donor to provide kids, why opine about it in an article? I guess Instagram wasn’t enough…
“If she’s such a strong independent woman who used a donor to provide kids”
The very thought makes my skin crawl, that a woman would deliberately choose to have children with a men she never met. Now that she has the trophy kids with the alpha genes she’ll probably go fishing for a beta shmuck to keep her company during her much older years.
It would be funny if she later found out that the quality of those sperm bank alpha genes was exaggerated or that he own less than alpha genes (she’s no pageant beauty) win out and her two designer boys turn out to be short and ordinary looking.
Let’s clarify what we mean by “asshole, aloof”. This is the guy who never calls. He moves on without any dramatic ending to a relationship with a plate. We weren’t talking about the guy who negs. Negging and teasing a girl is being playful, not being a jerk. Dal is correct that you don’t beat a girl’s ego after she has been humbled.
Aloof jerk game is about not being too available or too engaging. It’s about showing abundance and not being needy. An aloof jerk may be affectionate with a girl, but he won’t give her very much of his time.
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Women like gaming and tech more than men. I know this because most presenters on tech shows are female.
“Women don’t just respond to alpha attraction traits, they also respond to beta comfort traits. Pickup artists know this, and tailor their game to the woman they are trying to seduce.”
Both you and Heartiste are correct; you don’t want to use a Howitzer to hunt for squirrels. IIRC, Heartiste had a SMV scale concerning how much Dark Triad traits work on high SMV women compared to low SMV women.
BUT…how many of those low SMV women are reading romance books about 5’8 shy men who make low six figures in the IT department?
“BUT…how many of those low SMV women are reading romance books about 5’8 shy men who make low six figures in the IT department?”
The Bit Warrior
The Code Pirate
The Keyboard Commando
I haven’t read Heartist for some time
Ouch. Is it the politics? His commenters?
Lenti’s case looks more like a White House career setting her hypergamy threshold too high. I bet she could be desperate for Beta comfort and would still not touch 99.5% of men. Bolick probably never had an Alpha big enough to emotionally sideline the boyfriend she passed up. She just tried to fly higher and never did.
The halls of power are toxic to women in ways no equalist will ever accept.
@E
It wasn’t intended as a shot at his blog. Over time our interests are bound to shift. I think mainly it was having learned the core of what the blog had to offer for a married man. I’m obviously not in his target audience. There was as well a shift that happened I think around six years ago, and many have speculated that Heartiste was no longer the primary author of most posts. I don’t know, but I probably would have drifted away either way.
From the Sarah Lenti article:
Hypergamy doesn’t care about the convictions and religious rationalizations women sell themselves on. There isn’t even a moment’s introspection for her, and once again, confirms women’s innately solipsistic nature. When you read stories like this with a Red Pill lens it all makes perfect sense. Her ‘opinion’ piece is just a catharsis for her. She expects sympathy, empathy, and all at the expense of uncooperative ‘shameful’ men.
I pity her sons having to deal with Mom’s neurosis, but also having to confront the fact that they are the result of a woman’s failure to optimize Hypergamy in the long term. Though, in a sense she’s the archetypal mother of this era. All provisional security needs are met. All emotional and personal introspect or self-doubt erased or salved with feminine-primary social networks and a religion that absolves her of all guilt. And she has access to high-value genetic stock to complete her ‘sexy sons’ biological imperative.
Rejoice women! At last everything is done for you.
Conventional wisdom is that women like Lenti lack self esteem, but as she explains, only the most attractive men meet her demanding standards
She clearly does lack self esteem of the sexual kind, describing herself as “unlovable”, but she’s grasping on to the “my job makes me desirable” straw. She’s lying to herself.
This is correct.
It is a rare woman indeed who would acknowledge and accept the consequences for her own decisions in sexual relationships.
It’s so much easier to leave out the poor judgements and reinvent a convenient, victim narrative to share with her friends and family, and to indirectly blame men for the shortcomings in her life.
It supply the attention and validation she incessantly seeks. It doesn’t matter that she was sexually attractive and that dozens of decent men were orbiting her life path the entire time.
Now at age 50 most of those good, comforting, reliable, kind, loving, family-minded men are safely in her rear view mirror, married off to other women or on different paths of their own.
That blade of female hypergamy is sharp, and slices both ways.
Usually a woman of Lenti’s caliber and experience might actually be attracted to a more beta male later in life, precisely for the comfort and validation he provides her. Let’s assume she didn’t insist on alpha male diplomats, and instead selected John the sensitive, tenured history professor emeritus, as her husband.
Would she really love him? Would she genuinely sexually desire him? Would she grow to resent his him? Would she eventually divorce him?
We already know the answers to these questions. We already know how such a story ends. The west is already riddled with them, and the young human wreckage in their wake.
So I don’t know what’s worse.
A highly educated, upper class, attractive single woman raising sons as a single mother?
Or the same woman marrying a beta male only to friendzone him for years, and then divorce his sorry ass one fine Monday morning for the cash and prizes?
@ Gunner Q says:
May 1, 2017 at 1:26 pm
“Lenti’s case looks more like a White House career setting her hypergamy threshold too high.”
How could it not? We’re talking about the absolute pinnacle of the political elite. She tried to pull a modified Bathsheba and landed on her ass.
And which traits do the 80%+ of Blue Pill conditioned men possess in spades? Which traits spike the ‘tingle’? Most PUAs will tell you it’s a spiking of emotion that makes a guy memorable. That spike can be negative or positive, elation or indignation, makes no difference. All that matters is that she’s entertained.
Sarah went straight for the most Apex Alpha she could find on hand. Given the option, yes, all women are like that. The fact that sperm banks exist at all is confirmation of how important women’s optimizing of Hypergamy is in a social order that prioritizes the Feminine Imperative above all other considerations.
@Rollo
All women want alpha, and this is what nearly all men need to focus on increasing from a game perspective (and going more easy on beta comfort). But Lenti is anything but normal. She is an extreme outlier. She skipped the epiphany stage altogether, avoiding the BB phase of AF/BB. This isn’t normal, and very few women go the IVF choice-mommy route even in our feminist world of power careers and big daddy government.
I shall not lose a moments sleep tonight when my head hits the pillow.
Lenti is a delicious example of feminism run amok.
For every man who has attempted in vain to point out the knock-on effects of all women have done to society, men, & themselves all in the name of feminism/equality………rejoice in Lenti’s predicament.
I do pity her sons, whom have been denied a male role model. There are far too few male role models in the first place to deny your sons & daughters their father.
Planned single parenthood is akin to child abuse.
Planned single parenthood is subsidized heavily by the state
Therefore, the state subsidizes & condones child abuse
This is the standard for women nowdays.They were not taught proper morals as kids and now wonder what went wrong. They were encouraged to color beyond the lines since they were too cool and pretty to follow rules. Well now they see the real rules of society working and there is nothing they can do about it. I am a single guy and everything said in this article is correct.
“This isn’t normal, and very few women go the IVF choice mommy route even in our feminist world of power careers and big daddy government.”
Well, for one thing, it’s VERY expensive and only gold plated health insurance will cover it. Much easier to find a high value alpha and be his very eager and willing Friend with Benefits.
I seem to recall reading that sperm banks are having a hard time attracting “depositors” these days and that some are resorting to “imports” to fill in the breach. Perhaps it might be the fear that some judge will bang his gavel and your anonymity flies out the window and you could possibly find yourself stuck with heft child support payments that is scaring donors away.
“rejoice in Lenti’s predicament”
I suspect that she is well off financially and she’s still riding the carousel, which is the only way for her to bed the kind of men she craves. She would hate being married to some schlubby beta.
But yeah, had she been born 50 years earlier should would have been a housewife, possibly one that cucked her husband (it happened a lot more than many believe). I recall an old Disney cartoon, where Goofy trades his office job for one day with his stay at home wife (whose face we never get to see). As the day progresses a litany of deliveries happens at the house: milk, postman, etc. Every single one kisses Goofy before realizing that he isn’t the little lady. I think that this came across as funny because most in the audience knew that this actually happens, though hopefully not to them. Of course now the wifey doesn’t have to be discrete, and some are actually expecting their husbands to tolerate their infidelity as the price for her not frivorcing him, which many end up doing anyway
The short answer is yes.
“All women want alpha, and this is what nearly all men need to focus on increasing from a game perspective”
I think this is the key here, and it’s what gets us overstating the case that “all women are addicted to asshole game”. I’m just as guilty of it as anyone else.
All women do want alpha and do respond to alpha: confidence, dominance, good looks, assertiveness, even a bit of aggressiveness and arrogance. Most men who get to the manosphere did so because they were lacking in these attributes, and they need to hone and amplify that aspect of their personalities.
Because while all women want alpha and respond to alpha; they’re not all addicted to alpha. They need a little bit of comfort. It puts a woman at ease so she’s more likely to have sex. But comfort, by itself, isn’t sexually attractive.
Which is funny, if you think about it, as it does means she at least saved a man the horror of being put through the divorce courts. Got to find some positives in amongst the wreckage.
I recall an old Disney cartoon, where Goofy trades his office job for one day with his stay at home wife (whose face we never get to see). As the day progresses a litany of deliveries happens at the house: milk, postman, etc. Every single one kisses Goofy before realizing that he isn’t the little lady. I think that this came across as funny because most in the audience knew that this actually happens, though hopefully not to them.
I just went and watched this cartoon on YT….it’s from 1952.
Women are addicted to cuddling and sexy scientists. Not to rockbanddrummers or funfratmen. That’s why chickpr0n focuses on cuddling and rapport. Yeah, that’s the kind of book that comfort-seeking women librarians read…books about cuddling with sexy IT men or scientists.
I can’t find it. Do you remember its title?
Casey says “Planned single parenthood is akin to child abuse.
Planned single parenthood is subsidized heavily by the state. Therefore, the state subsidizes & condones child abuse.”
“Best interest of the child” (equals Mummy gets full custody); other anti-father child custody and access laws and family court attitudes; divorce rape (assets, child support, alimony etc.); and the list goes on;
all contributing to the “Deadbeat Dad Dilemma” (see https://youtu.be/XTHTsemlHEk and https://youtu.be/U6Vh6Eya-5c)
and all equal to state-sponsored child abuse.
Frank K @ 3:25 pm:
“I can’t find it. Do you remember its title?”
I think it’s this one.
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Thanks!
Some women dig bigger jerks than others.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/01/politics/investigates-fbi-syria-greene/index.html
“An FBI translator with a top-secret security clearance traveled to Syria in 2014 and married a key ISIS operative she had been assigned to investigate, CNN has learned.
The rogue employee, Daniela Greene, lied to the FBI about where she was going and warned her new husband he was under investigation, according to federal court records.
Greene’s saga, which has never been publicized, exposes an embarrassing breach of national security at the FBI—an agency that has made its mission rooting out ISIS sympathizers across the country.” ~ CNN
Dalrock
But Lenti is anything but normal. She is an extreme outlier. She skipped the epiphany stage altogether, avoiding the BB phase of AF/BB.
She is in the Beta Bux stage and has been for a while. She’s her own Beta, that’s all. A slightly more extreme version of the 30-something Administrative Assistant / store manager / mid level manager who adopts some 3rd world child.
Rollo’s point about sperm banks stands out. Started to provide married couples where the man is infertile, now mainly or even entirely serving lesbians or unmarried hetero women. Is that not the Female Imperative written right out in the sky?
Ms Lenti is without a husband and so far as I can tell (from her blog) although obviously she is not starving I gain the impression that she has been ‘let go’ which is presumably why she runs her own political consultancy, but the only employee is a young attractive female (ouch) who is hoping to embark on a doctorate in therapy. Lenti may claim to be conservative but she has a bleeding liberal’s heart for she produced a documentary about children of’ ‘undocumented’ Mexicans’ . She has a rare expertise: the provision of electricity in Iraq but that seems to be it.
I find it hard to warm to Ms Lenti.
@Oscar
She was just naïve, per her mouthpiece…she just needed some cuddling and she inadvertently gave away state secrets during cuddling time.
@Frank K: I don’t think Lenti is well off — she had to save for years to be able to afford IVF, and she is living in an apartment, not a condo or house. She is very much an elitist, and it is going to kill her to send her children to second-rate schools where they will mix with the offspring of the non-elite. Unless she gets married to Beta Bucks, she will struggle financially for the rest of her life, as she will be in her 60s when the boys finish college — and she’ll be older if they continue on to graduate school.
@feministhater: I am astonished to find that we are in agreement on this one. She at least had enough integrity not to use somebody she didn’t love as a temporary husband. Or maybe her desire for a certain body type was so strong that she felt she needed donor sperm to achieve that. I don’t believe her when she downplays her level of interest in the intellectual capacity of the donor she chose. The “athletic” donor that she chose played lacrosse at college. No doubt some of the public schools on the east coast have lacrosse teams, but I can tell you that in the South and Midwest, lacrosse is rarely offered at all. Lacrosse is very much an East Coast sport for boys at posh private schools. Ice hockey has a similar sorting effect. Working class families can’t afford the expensive uniforms, skates, ice time, private lessons and sports camps plus travel expenses to be on an ice hockey team, so someone who plays ice hockey at the college level probably came from a well off family. No matter what she says, she selected for looks, brains, social class, and athleticism, and this was so important to her that she preferred to become an unwed mother of Alphakinder rather than become a married mom with children who would merely have been above average.
I know that at least some sperm banks allow the sperm donors to specify the level of openness that they are willing to have with the children after they are born, Ms. Lenti does not give any indication that she has chosen a sperm donor willing to have contact with the kids later. Her children will have no contact with their father or his side of the family, and very little contact with Ms. Lenti’s family, who live at a great distance. The final nail in the coffin of the children’s childhood will be if Ms. Lenti moves every couple of years as her career requires, uprooting the children from whatever friendships they might have formed. Her seemingly deliberate choice to make a life for the children that does not include other adults is a huge red flag. My guess is that all goes well enough for the first seven to ten years, then spins out of control well before the twins reach age 14 or 15.
Ah yes, good old “game”. .001% of the time, it works every time.
@Anon Reader
I get the argument that she is her own beta, in the sense that she felt she could forgo a beta because of her career. But the fact remains that she skipped the BB part of the AF/BB plan. Her career tells us how she skipped it.
But either way my point is how extreme an outlier she is. White MC/UMC women almost never forgo the BB. Doing so is freakish. They even tend to stay married to their BB*, declining the government’s ready offer to eject the BB but allow her to retain a large portion of his paycheck.
The most recent data I could find with a quick Google search shows that only 1.5% of births are due to IVF. That is total IVF, not just single mothers. I haven’t found hard numbers, but for the clinic in this story only six percent of the women using IVF were doing so to become single mothers. Lenti is an extreme outlier any way you look at it. As such she helps illustrate some patterns which are harder to observe in their far more subtle form, but she shouldn’t be mistaken for normal or anything like it.
*UMC women who divorce risk a huge status drop. Look at the status hit Jenny Erikson has taken in the few years since she blew up her family. It is profound.
“But Lenti is anything but normal. She is an extreme outlier. She skipped the epiphany stage altogether, avoiding the BB phase of AF/BB.”
Dalrock, I completely agree and thought the same thing when I first read her article. But instead of Kate Bolick as a comparison, I thought of Lori Gottleib (authoress of “Marry Him – The Case for Settling For Mr. Good-Enough”)
Like Lenti, but unlike Bolick, Gottleib too did the IVF thing to brcome a single mom when she realized no Mr. Right was forthcoming and 40 was knocking on her door. Gottleib had a son as a result. Now, i of course strongly condemn both Lenti and Gottleib for being so incredibly selfish as to bring a child into this world without a father.
But Lenti is much worse. Gottleib at least learned from her mistakes, and her book is all about fessing up to them…and using herself as a cautionary tale for younger women. She’s basically telling them, “Watch out, or you’ll end up like me and you don’t want that! Find that decent guy who treats you well and just marry him, even if he doesn’t meet every requirement on your 50 bullet point checklist.” So I at least respect Gottleib for making this effort.
But Lenti? Nothing of the sort. No introspection. No admitting she made big mistakes. No taking responsibility for her life and her choices. Nope, it’s just all the fault of all those terrible men who were too stupid to realize what a catch she is! She even gives the impression that if she had it to do over, she would do nothing different.
Like Dalrock was saying, this is extreme behavior…even for a chick who’s swallowed the feminist Kool-Aid. She won’t even learn from reality! This chick is an absolute trainwreck, and (imho) a despicable human being. If one of my daughters turned out this way, I’d feel like I failed as a parent.
BTW…
I had my (very red pill and anti-feminist) wife read Lenti’s article. Mrs. Strand said she was so disgusted by it that it nearly made her toss her cookies!
Dalrock
But either way my point is how extreme an outlier she is.
At this time. What is the “extreme outlier” keeps changing, and changing faster than before.
50 years ago divorced women were an extreme outlier. In the 80’s and 90’s single mothers were extreme outliers. All the “it’s too expensive” arguments applied to them at first, too. Then their expenses were dumped onto others, just about always men, and increasingly the taxpayers.
Leni’s presenting herself as a kind of new normal. Will access to IVF from sperm donors become a “new normal”? Probably not, but then again…40 years ago a single mother by choice was scorned. Now she’s normal.
Looks to me that Leni is trying to establish a “new normal” via her article. Is it outlandish? Well, “writing a new normal” is what every interview with hormone-stuffed & surgically mutilated Bruce Jenner in a dress is also about. The costs tranny rights are being socialized every day. Before you write off Leni’s model as “too expensive”, been to Target lately? Stores have had to do some remodeling of plumbing in order to comply with policy from corporate. That’s not cheap either. The cost is socialized, the benefit is private. Nothing new there.
She’s her own beta, her bucks are her own Beta Bucks, and while she’s an outlier now she also could be an early adopter of the next logical step in AF / BB, or in YouGoGirl terms, a “trailblazing pioneer”. Only time will tell.
Real Peterman,
Ah yes, good old “game”. .001% of the time, it works every time.
Is it your contention that Game does not work? Are you saying Dalrock (and everyone else) is wrong?
What qualifies you to proclaim expertise on this subject? What is your alternative explanation about which men do well with women, and which do poorly?
Dalrock
The most recent data I could find with a quick Google search shows that only 1.5% of births are due to IVF. That is total IVF, not just single mothers. I haven’t found hard numbers, but for the clinic in this story only six percent of the women using IVF were doing so to become single mothers. Lenti is an extreme outlier any way you look at it.
I’m sure that at some point in the 1970’s the number of single women getting pregnant via artificial insemination was tiny as well. Did that change, or not?
Six percent of women using IVF to become single mothers is not zero. I do not know much about the IVF numbers, but at some point back in the 90’s or the 80’s the number of single mother by choice users of IVF had to be 0 percent, as in “not any”. The number of women divorcing their husbands was no doubt quite low in 1970. Did that change, or not?
I don’t know if Leni is a trendsetter or an extreme outlier that no one will copy. But given what we’ve all learned about female human behavior in the last 40 years, I would not bet against her as a “trendsetter”. Look at the conclusion of her article. She’s defending herself, no real regrets. Articles like this don’t just pop up out of nowhere like toadstools after a hard rain, some editor and writer agree on this, because it will get revenue. Clickbait if nothing else.
Again, she’s not regreful. She’s celebratory. Where have we seen that before?
Interesting storyline that fits into this article. Per CNN:
“An FBI translator with a top-secret security clearance traveled to Syria in 2014 and married a key ISIS operative she had been assigned to investigate, CNN has learned.
The rogue employee, Daniela Greene, lied to the FBI about where she was going and warned her new husband he was under investigation, according to federal court records.
Greene’s saga, which has never been publicized, exposes an embarrassing breach of national security at the FBI—an agency that has made its mission rooting out ISIS sympathizers across the country.
It also raises questions about whether Greene received favorable treatment from Justice Department prosecutors who charged her with a relatively minor offense, then asked a judge to give her a reduced sentence in exchange for her cooperation, the details of which remain shrouded in court-ordered secrecy.”
This is a story of the gina tingles taken to the extreme. She goes, marries the guy she’s supposed to be monitoring, and on top of that, tips him off. Not only her careerism took away a job of a qualified man, but in her hunt for alpha male bad boy ISIS thug, just jeopardized national security.
Thoughts Dalrock?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/05/01/politics/investigates-fbi-syria-greene/index.html
IVF was a big political issue in the late 70s. It probably wasn’t legal in a lot of the country for a while, it should be noted. (Having trouble figuring out the legalities part.)
This is a story of the gina tingles taken to the extreme. She goes, marries the guy she’s supposed to be monitoring, and on top of that, tips him off.
Sort of like the Stockolm Syndrome.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Stockholm_syndrome
The only possible solution is to hire more female FBI agents. Anything else would be bigotry.
“IVF was a big political issue in the late 70s. It probably wasn’t legal in a lot of the country for a while, it should be noted. (Having trouble figuring out the legalities part.)”
I believe that the “legalities” had to do with destroying leftover embryos, as they would conceive more than one in vitro, to cover miscarriages. The RCC is officially opposed to IVF for this reason. Perhaps Scott can enlighten us as to Byzantium’s position regarding IVF.
Looks to me that Leni is trying to establish a “new normal”
“The compromises of yesterday become the starting position for bargaining today, and today’s new compromise will become the starting point for bargaining tomorrow.” – Dalrock
The encapsulation of how we keep going to hell in a handbag.
“extreme outlier” today, “trailblazing pioneer” tomorrow. This has been the model for many previous oddities now normalized, as AR points out. It’s a race to the bottom of the barrel, but nobody knows where that is. I had already thought of Lenti as pathetically selfish and cruel, but this puts a new twist on it.
Also kudos to the bringers of the Goofy cartoon. That is a crazy thing to look at with red lenses. 1952! The beta bucks husband is cuckolded, doesn’t get it, shown to be an incompetent dolt at simple tasks, and openly disparaged by his wife to the authorities (non-anthropomorphized human female, married to a dog with hands, weird on another level). Oh well, at least they got the stereotype of the woman that can’t drive.
“I seem to recall reading that sperm banks are having a hard time attracting “depositors” these days and that some are resorting to “imports” to fill in the breach.”
I wouldn’t be surprised. The standards for donors are very strict. Especially at elite banks where you have to be 6’2″+ according to a comment in the last post. That’s a lot of testing and paperwork to prove you meet the standards. When donating you have to limit how much you have sex or masturbate too.
I’m not quite sure how much pay you’d receive. I’ve seen figures of $12k per year, but most would probably receive less. Not a huge amount for all this hassle, plus the men they prefer as donors probably wouldn’t really be desperate for money.
Here in Australia donation rates were never that great to start with, since sperm banks are forbidden by law to pay donors. Since they removed donor anonymity rates have collapsed. If they ever remove donor anonymity in America you can expect to see rates drop too.
rocko @ 6:34 pm:
Per CNN: “An FBI translator with a top-secret security clearance traveled to Syria in 2014 and married a key ISIS operative she had been assigned to investigate, CNN has learned.”
It’s a common scene in the prison and education systems. Women are natural born slaves and tingles uber alles. Surround a Strong-N-Independent woman with unsexy cubicle jockeys then focus her attention on a charismatic sociopath, what did anybody think was going to happen?
From linked article: “Within weeks of marrying Cuspert, Greene, 38, seemed to realize she had made a terrible mistake. She fled back to the US, where she was immediately arrested and agreed to cooperate with authorities”
This is the suck part of being a white male Christian. Women desperately want us dead except for the brief moments in which they desperately need our help. I only wish she’d swung for her treason. It would still have been a kinder fate than Lover Boy.
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CSI @ 7:50 pm:
“If they ever remove donor anonymity in America you can expect to see rates drop too.”
Nah, we simply replaced sperm banks with conjugal visits on Death Row. The jailers ought to charge stud fees. Maybe next year, Sacramento?
“I believe that the “legalities” had to do with destroying leftover embryos, as they would conceive more than one in vitro, to cover miscarriages. The RCC is officially opposed to IVF for this reason.”
Yep, IVF is forbidden to Catholics, under pain of mortal sin (maybe even excommunication, since it can be argued IVF is a form of abortion).
That said, I can’t tell you how many Catholic women I’ve run across who’ve had IVF (unlike Lenti, at least all of them had husbands). When you mention it’s verboten, they act shocked and claim they didn’t know that was the case. Or they just blow it off with a “whatever”. Because hey, they want what they want, right? And special snowflakes that they are, no one (not even God Himself) is going to tell them different!
The female rebellious nature of Eve is alive and well.
The Daniel Green story is super powered proof of Red Pill.
Another fun red-pill Disney short is “Donald’s Diary” with Donald Duck from 1954.
She is very much an elitist, and it is going to kill her to send her children to second-rate schools where they will mix with the offspring of the non-elite. Unless she gets married to Beta Bucks, she will struggle financially for the rest of her life, as she will be in her 60s when the boys finish college — and she’ll be older if they continue on to graduate school.
I think that there is a better than average chance that by the time those boys reach their teens, Lenti is going to come to resent them bitterly, especially if they grow up to be average looking, average height, mediocre athletic ability, and average academically. In other words, they grow up to be the very Joe Average Betas she wanted nothing to do with when hunting for a man. The boys becoming what she hates would be taken as her own hubris being thrown back in her face. Her rage at this will of course, be directed at the boys, who she would consider to have “failed” her.
Any way you look at it, the future for those two boys is a dark one, with the potential for some real abuse in the future.
I have to point out one thing.
While Sarah Lenti has done something extremely selfish and parasitic, she is still only the second-worst type of single mother.
The worst type is one who uses the biological father as a CS income stream, imputing his income, and puts him in a life of trying to avoid imprisonment. *That* is even worse.
At least with Lenti, she is only leeching off of the broader taxpayer (the Democrat/Swedish model), rather than a cruel form of slavery inflicted on the biological father (the Republican model).
Given how much cuckservatives love to expand cruel torture of husbands and fathers, some man has gotten off lucky relative to the other alternative that Lenti could have employed.
David
Is it your contention that Game does not work? Are you saying Dalrock (and everyone else) is wrong?
What qualifies you to proclaim expertise on this subject? What is your alternative explanation about which men do well with women, and which do poorly?
This wasn’t directed at me, and I’m certainly no expert, but from what I’ve observed in real life, as opposed to what I’ve read online or in books, is that what we learned from Tom Brady is true: 1) Be handsome. 2) Be attractive. 3) Don’t be unattractive.
I’m only slightly kidding…Money and status can help, too.
By the way, Roosh is spot-on in this video, particularly 4:32 – 5:00.
Lenti has too much self-esteem, but no self-respect.
Frank K
““BUT…how many of those low SMV women are reading romance books about 5’8 shy men who make low six figures in the IT department?”
The Bit Warrior
The Code Pirate
The Keyboard Commando
Oh, I am so stealing that as DH’s new nickname! 🙂
All women do want alpha and do respond to alpha: confidence, dominance, good looks, assertiveness, even a bit of aggressiveness and arrogance.
I think both men and women want to be with someone they consider “attractive”.
Women find strong men attractive and often irresistible. To them, a man’s “strength” may be indicated by a well ripped body, his confidence, high social status, high financial status, high political power, the type of car the man drives, in which part of town he lives, or how popular he is, etc. All these convey “strength” to a woman, and makes the man possessing them very attractive to her, even if his face looks like Iggy Pop’s.
For men, an attractive woman is physically beautiful, young, and feminine. A woman lacking these characteristics is considered ugly, even if she has all the money and power in the world.
Extreme outlier?
How much different is Lenti than a broad who gets knocked up my an anonymous male?Apparently a good proportion of black women are exceptional.
The only difference is that Lenti’s alpha fucks seem to have the presence of mind to use condoms, I guess they have more to loose than hood rats.
@David
What qualifies you to proclaim expertise on this subject?
Peterman has really, really strong feelings.
What is your alternative explanation about which men do well with women, and which do poorly?
See above.
Game denialists are sooo Blue Pill.
Slightly OT but she was mentioned upthread. Jenny Erikson has just had a third child. This was announced on her twitter feed. There is no mention of marriage or even a relationship. Unless this is some long running prank or mistake on my part, the child was conceived around the time her ex husband was remarried. From a female perspective both women are again trying to escape the consequences of their behavior with zero thought to the lives they destroy along the way. They are not skipping the BB portion, I dont think they can get one because BBs their age can pull much higher quality women being in their prime career wise. I have seen this time and again. Of our social group, I am one of two original wives left. These guys are not all alphas, but are all solidly in the prime earning years for their field. Each ex wife has faired horribly. Each husband was able to wife up an educated, good looking women slightly younger who was on her way to spinsterville…..usually who earns the same as her husband and they are not having children.
For Erikson and this women having these children is one way for them to go “yes, I have one too!” in the validation game with other women. The author basically bought herself the equivalent of a knockoff purse because on the street it looks like she has a man who treasures her enough and is a good enough provider to offer designer goods so strangers think she is part of the elite. She even mention this by saying people walk up to her all the time and compliment her children. She is not sad about this, she is grateful that strangers assume Dad is a good looking alpha. It is enough that she can fake the reality she wants for awhile. She also thinks she can raise herself two good future providers, seen it time and again. I feel horrible for those poor children.
@Hank Flanders
it your contention that Game does not work? Are you saying Dalrock (and everyone else) is wrong?
What qualifies you to proclaim expertise on this subject? What is your alternative explanation about which men do well with women, and which do poorly?
This wasn’t directed at me, and I’m certainly no expert, but from what I’ve observed in real life, as opposed to what I’ve read online or in books, is that what we learned from Tom Brady is true: 1) Be handsome. 2) Be attractive. 3) Don’t be unattractive.
I’m only slightly kidding…Money and status can help, too.
Henry Kissinger, the old troll, fat and ugly, got laid like tile with beautiful women. Nixon, not so much. Oh, but the Brady Rules are true, true, true! [Pound pulpit]
You talked about your experience. Here’s mine from last Sat. night.
I’ve been told that I’m good looking…for my age, lol. Maybe a 5 in looks. But last Sat. night a hottie I know was throwing herself at me:
1) She told me, “I hoped that you’d be here.”
2) “Save me a dance,” (she wanted to observe me before dancing to calibrate my status…I danced with lots of girls…she wanted me to keep her as an option)
3) “You’re such a good dancer…I won’t dance with anyone but you.”
4) She danced with me a lot–five dances,
5) She followed me well…a sign of submission and a signal of strong attraction because she enjoyed being in my frame…and she’s a raving liberal and a Strong Independent Woman ™
6) She danced with me close. It was her idea–I didn’t pull her in.
I had forgotten her name and called her by the wrong name when we first saw each other. But I remembered her job, so there’s that.
theasdgamer, I believe your stories, and I think you probably are a good dancer. I just don’t think the interactions you have with women mean what you think they mean, but I’ll just let you keep your perceptions on that and won’t attempt to persuade you otherwise here.
By the way, I mentioned what I’ve observed, indicating that other people’s experiences and not just my own are included in my observations, and I, just like you, have observed thousands of people.
Also, I don’t think men’s experiences from 40 or so years ago are overly relevant to a discussion about what women, particularly women in the US, go for in men these days, either. Even men’s experiences from 10 or 15 years ago might not be relevant, as Roosh seemed to imply in that video at 7:50.
Of course, if game is defined as increasing one’s status in life through personal and professional accomplishments, then I’m definitely a believer in game. However, I just don’t believe there’s much value in using certain speaking techniques (e.g. “negging,” etc.) on women as a way to create attraction, but if she’s obviously already attracted to you and especially if she’s already married to you, then sure, I can see how being playful like that might help keep the spark alive.
In answer to the original question, no, women are not attracted to aloof jerks. If they were, then any of us could act like that and be successful with women. Women will, however, tolerate aloof jerks if those men are already attractive to the women for other reasons.
@Carlotta Stalked Le Jenny, and the child indeed does not share her last name, meaning some schmuck named Hart signed off on the birth certificate. 0 evidence of other male than her brother per instagram, so at this point a definite “mistake” conveniently around the time she went on a tropical vacation…
Women tell themselves all the time, “I WON’T ‘settle'”…so not only are they doing the exact wrong thing, they are convincing themselves that they are doing the correct thing! Hold out for that Prince Charming, since she is a princess who deserves nothing less. NAWALT, experiences may vary, price does not include taxes, title, license fee, dealer rip-u-off fee, various other little we screw you fees, void where prohibited, yada yada.
@Carlotta: I’m not surprised that the children get a lot of attention in public. They are very good looking, they are twins, and she dresses them well.
I am surprised that the “near spinsters” that the men you know are marrying don’t want to try for a trophy child. I would have thought that motherhood would have been the primary motivation for marrying once a woman is mid thirties or beyond.
@Hank
I just don’t think the interactions you have with women mean what you think they mean,
Surely, you have your beliefs and my observations contradict them. Maybe the girl just wanted to dance with me. Maybe the other girls who were watching and smiling when they made eye contact with me while the girl and I were dancing were just smiling that the girl was cockteasing me. Maybe the girl was totally joking about wanting to dance only with me or she only felt that way In the Moment ™. Maybe the girl invested fifteen minutes of her time dancing with me just because she enjoyed dancing with me. Good feelz. Maybe the girl danced close to cocktease me. Maybe the girl was just a natural follow (she was not…when we first danced, she was very rough).
Maybe any one or two of these things was something to ignore. And, surely, a girl will dance all night with one man and go home with another. This wasn’t a girl I wanted to bang and I didn’t give her any indication of attraction to her because I didn’t want to lead her on. Mystery’s A3 phase was absent. But she was in A2. A girl who is cockteasing is at least in A2. And then there was all the comfort from dancing. But she was frustrated and the window closed. (It could open another night.) Taken all together, the IOIs were substantial. Mystery says, three or more IOIs and you go for a kiss. The girl gave me more than three. She was not DTF, tho. I would have had to give her some indications of attraction and sexualize.
By the way, I mentioned what I’ve observed, indicating that other people’s experiences and not just my own are included in my observations
I take it to mean that you’ve talked to people, not observed through their eyes somehow. You called their experiences your observations. This was unclear. The observations of Blue Pill guys aren’t all that relevant to anything. They have a Blue Pill filter that prevents them from seeing reality.
Naturals are typically good looking and there are more naturals than artisans who have learned pickup. The numbers support naturals and the theory that good looks are what attract girls. However, the Girls Like Good Looks Theory breaks down when we observe naturals and PUAs going head to head. The PUAs win almost every time.
Also, I don’t think men’s experiences from 40 or so years ago are overly relevant to a discussion about what women, particularly women in the US, go for in men these days, either.
My experiences are from 2013-2017. Not sure about yours.
In answer to the original question, no, women are not attracted to aloof jerks. If they were, then any of us could act like that and be successful with women.
Did you see my definition of an aloof jerk? I don’t think that “aloof jerk” means what you think it means.
However, I just don’t believe there’s much value in using certain speaking techniques
Nah, man. You obviously don’t understand Game. This tells me that you can’t calibrate a woman’s interest, which brings into question the value of your experience. I hardly ever neg women, but I tease them some and flirt with them. I go out to dance and have fun, not hook up. Mrs. Gamer jokes with me about all my girlfriends.
There was another hottie that I asked to dance and she was lit up when I asked her. She was in A2 before I even asked her. Preselection because I had danced with so many girls and a hottie had danced close to me as we chatted. The lit up hottie was 21ish and the one who danced close was almost 30. (I’ve told the latter that I’m married, but she may have forgotten…it’s been a couple of months.)
NB:
Mystery’s attraction phases
A1 The man demonstrates his value by approaching a girl, telling jokes, stories, sexualizing, etc.
A2 The girl indicates her interest in the man
A3 The man indicates his interest in the girl
theasdgamer
Did you see my definition of an aloof jerk?
Yes.
The observations of Blue Pill guys aren’t all that relevant to anything. They have a Blue Pill filter that prevents them from seeing reality.
On this, we agree.
OT, but damn. The horror TV series Penny Dreadful has gay themes.
I am so sick of this. I can’t get away from it.
Penny Dreadful is set in 1890s gaslit London. The conceit is that all the classic horror characters live in the same area. Dracula, Jack the Ripper, Dr. Frankenstein, Dorian Gray.
The first four episodes were good. I was worried at first that the series might have the pro-Wiccan, gay vampire themes that are so popular in Goth type shows. But no. So I’m enjoying the show. Then at the end of episode 4, the American gunfighter (modeled on the Texan from Dracula) is so overwhelmed with emotion from all the horrors he’s seen, he kisses Dorian Gray and they make passionate love.
There was no indication the American was gay. He has female lovers. I suppose the series creator would say, No, he’s not gay. Just because a man makes love to another man doesn’t mean he’s gay. He was overwhelmed by the horror’s he’d seen and needed comfort from the nearest person in the room. I think that’s the scene’s rationale.
Penny Dreadful does such a good job of recreating 1890s London. The acting, set design, writing was going so well. Then they had to introduce a gay theme. I realize Oscar Wilde (who wrote Dorian Gray) was gay, but it’s not in the story.
I’m so tired of not being able to see a modern show without gay characters. Game of Thrones has several of them. They’re everywhere.
@Carlotta
If Jenny Erikson has sperm via IVF. Then when sperm donation is no longer anonymous and the man who donates sperm is responsible for child support and alimony.
Its a great incentive to cause donations to dry up and prevent such women from having fatherless children by artificial means.
@Red Pill Latecomer
The Hard Gay Turn. Seen it collapse viewership in a number of series, both foreign & domestic over the last few years. If your crowd hasn’t signed up for something, they’ll reject it suddenly coming in.
@Red Pill Latecomer
Sodomite propaganda is what it is. Boycott everyone who promotes this.
Luckily, I bought used DVDs from Amazon, so I saved money and paid no residuals to the show’s creators. No residuals or royalties are paid on used books, CDs, DVDs, etc.
Not knowing how gay, feminist, or leftist a show might be, by buying used DVDs, I can buy assured that I didn’t support the show.
I wish they’d print advisories on DVDs along the lines of “Parental Advisory: Gay Themes.” But that would be “homophobic,” as it would imply there was something wrong with homosexuality. That it was something to be warned against.
Gosh reading that vintage Roissy brings back the memories. When he was at his peak, before the whole shick-shack with the crazy women from upstate NY, his writing was incredible — it was like he was writing with razor blades. Even if you disagreed with his content, the style was … spectacular. Social Pathologist rightly dubbed him “The Devil’s Virtuoso” for a reason.
As for the topic, yes, Lenti is an extreme outlier. She has been exposed to some of the most powerful men on the planet. That tends to ruin you. She is also very, very specific about the kinds of men she wants — 6’2″ and toned is a tiny demographic of men, and not one that generally tends to marry women who look like Lenti. I can’t help but think that she picked some of this up from her close association with Condi Rice, who also had champagne tastes in men (she preferred to date professional athletes), and never did marry.
@Red Pill Latecomer – That’s pretty much why I cut the cable, there is hardly anything worth watching anymore. I prefer to watch old shows on Netflix. While the “Netflix Originals” are also garbage, they are outnumbered by the vintage shows and movies and are thus easily ignored.
There’s also the element of “appointment TV” that is so last century. “Whoa! It’s almost 7:30! I have to drop everything to watch XYZ”.
“Boycott everyone who promotes this.”
That will become a VERY long list, unfortunately.
Novaseeker,
Gosh reading that vintage Roissy brings back the memories. When he was at his peak, before the whole shick-shack with the crazy women from upstate NY, his writing was incredible — it was like he was writing with razor blades.
Indeed. Since that time, he has instead chosen to go the Stormfront path, which directly contradicts Game in many ways (how do his WN readers reconcile that Roissy’s Game writings have enabled thousands of colored men to bed white women?). As a result, almost none of his 100+ regular commenters from 2008-09 are still there (except the Neo-Nazi, quasi-feminist ones). A poor choice to make, particularly when Heartiste never used his Game knowledge to improve his own life and get out of DC and instead live a live in Eastern Europe like Roosh or Krauser (who came to Game much later than Roissy)..
I can’t help but think that she picked some of this up from her close association with Condi Rice,
Certainly.
This is pretty applicable to this. I just randomly came across this while browsing for other music.
http://www.metrolyrics.com/carousel-lyrics-melanie-martinez.html
Probably worth reading the lyrics. The song is the dark drum beat approach, as it’s an intentionally depressing song. It’s not recommended listening. Though the music video is pretty clear what the topic is about.
“And it’s all fun and games,
‘Til somebody falls in love,
But you’ve already bought a ticket,
And there’s no turning back now
Round and round like a horse on a carousel, we go,
Will I catch up to love? I could never tell, I know,
Chasing after you is like a fairytale, but I,
Feel like I’m glued on tight to this carousel”
The songwriter is listened as the singer + the producers, but since the producers are two Men I don’t think their input on the lyrics was that deep. At least for this song. Considering we’re talking about outlier Alpha chasing, this is the anthem for it.
It seems to have only ever made it to being a Thread at Roosh’s place, as far as my Google-fu is capable of finding. This wasn’t a charting hit of any type,
“Condi Rice, who also had champagne tastes in men (she preferred to date professional athletes), and never did marry”
The fact that allegedly “conservative” women ride the carousel with wild abandon just goes to show how far down the drain we are.
At least Condi never became a single mother, and never really blamed men for her singlehood. But that was a different generation at any rate.
She did find it necessary to come out of the woodwork to demand Trump withdraw from the election for his ‘grab their pussy’ remark, revealing deep-seated resentment towards alpha males.
Novaseeker
I can’t help but think that she picked some of this up from her close association with Condi Rice, who also had champagne tastes in men (she preferred to date professional athletes), and never did marry.
Very reasonable assumption, given that women are more group-oriented or “herding” and therefore friends /associates / coworkers can have a profound affect on a woman’s thinking. Part of vetting a prospective wife includes her friends, both local and social media. Dalrock’s posting on the contagion of divorce made that clear, but we can always use more confirmation.
Plus of course both Condi and Lenti are all but certain to be alpha widows.
“Plus of course both Condi and Lenti are all but certain to be alpha widows.”
Funny how that happens to women in positions of “power”. Aren’t we told that strong, empowered and independent women are what men really want?
FrankK
The fact that allegedly “conservative” women ride the carousel with wild abandon just goes to show how far down the drain we are.
It shows that women are women, and how far out of control their actions can be no matter what words they say. The Victorian notion of women as “more moral” than men is taking a lot longer to perish than should have been the case.
If the carousel won’t do it, then perhaps the current crop of selfies, Tumbler and Instagram “models” and camgirls and Sugar Babies will. As the Antifa dreadlock girl found out, once something is on the net – paid or not – it’s there forever.
“The RCC is officially opposed to IVF for this reason.” -Frank K.
The murder or embryos is perhaps the most damming consequences of IVF (see referenced DV) but IVF is also a sin in itself.
It is sinful for an analogous reason to contraception; you cannot separate the sexual and procreative.
God created man in his image. As such a husband and wife can participate in creating new life by expressing love by giving themselves to one another. In doing so they participate with the Lord to create a new person equal in dignity to the parents.
IVF establishes scientists as the origin and destiny of people. Man is stripped of his dignity and becomes products to be created, dominated, and discarded.
There is more to it but that is the basis as I understand it. The texts are more exact than I can be of course.
REF: CCC 2377 under the ten commandments, you shall not commit adultery. Also see Donum Vitae which addresses it very verbosely.
The Victorian notion of women as “more moral” than men is taking a lot longer to perish than should have been the case.
Cuckservatives are hell-bent on diverting every societal resource towards propping up this illusion. They have led us down a long, dark path, to a strange, ugly place, and still urge us along.
@Isa
Yeah. So much for the divorce being caused by her being so much more spiritual then her husband. Her poor children!
@infowarrior
I was not sure she did it through IVF, and Isa says it looks like someone is at least claiming to be a father. That any man chooses to donate to a sperm bank is mind-boggling for me. I mean I am really careful who I let my children associate with, let alone letting someone else raise them. Besides, maybe you all already know this, but there is a case going on right now where an ex girlfriend of a successful man took his sperm without him knowing and got herself inseminated after they broke up. She has twins and is suing for support.
@original laura..
If I wear a huge diamond ring in public it will get me lots of attention and people will assume I landed a great fiance. That is gold in the girl Olympics. When they find out I am not engaged and the ring is fake….that is pathetic. Just like a women showing off her twins and pretending they are a family, when they were purchased as consolation prize because mommy could not land the donor in real life.
As for the remarring going on in my group, I am talking about guys who started out young with the love of their life and making about 30 grand in their early 20s. 20 years later, all but I and another chick jumped ship for mr super feel good Facebook boyfriend when raising the kids mostly on your own while your husband is in the field working his way up got “too hard”. Just went to a wedding and saw everyone. Difference is shocking. All of us are near or 40. All the guys have children. Only I and one other women are the mothers of their children. All the second wives are early 30s. Career obsessed (and the guys are not remotely interested in them staying home and said as much) and were told from the get no children are happening. These men were sweet to their first wives but we’re cold to the second. The second was frankly over joy ed to be there with a date. Each guy was incredibly kind to me and encouraging to me with my many children and homeschool. When the second wives mentioned it they were clear it wad not happening, they already had enough kids. One friend has a very obvious disability. His first wife was unpleasant and unattractive. He came up to me right away to introduce his younger and much more attractive wife. She seemed over joy ed to be in our group. I can tell ya, It helps to think of this when tempted to act the fool cause my man is the boss and has constant offers. Now excuse me, gotta do my second workout today lol.
The man who sells his seed is worse than a whore. She sells sexual pleasure. He sells his children.
“That any man chooses to donate to a sperm bank is mind-boggling for me”
I think it’s a form of narcissism. He thinks he must be so darn awesome and that the world should be populated with his offspring
@original laura
Sorry, tried to edit my comment and it posted. Fat fingers.
I meant to add, these guys all make significant bank and their child support must be huge. Taking on a chick who will pay her own way and not add to the family is the way they are going. Younger only. For her, it is better to be married and childless but a step mom then alone.
“That any man chooses to donate to a sperm bank is mind-boggling for me”
No, no. Many are well-meaning, and are told they are helping couples.
Even those who know better figure that if it is not him, it will merely be some other guy who makes a donation. Even worse, a man may be under CS slavery or jail (under the cuckservative model). At least with a sperm bank, no man is imputed and jailed.
The view in the quote above is still a form of misandry, when the blame lies squarely on the woman.
“The view in the quote above is still a form of misandry, when the blame lies squarely on the woman.”
@Anon
Don’t be an idiot. If he did not donate she could not do the IVF. Men are responsible for their sperm. Selling the seed of life for any reason is horrible.
Carlotta,
In case you had not noticed, sperm is so abundant that if one donor is not there, there are plenty of others who can take his place. A sperm donor is usually an upstanding citizen, vs. the serial killer or thug that women usually get tingles for.
Are you a woman? If so, you are not qualified to evaluate whether another man is an idiot or not.
There are a lot of egg donors (i.e. females) too, you know.
” At least with a sperm bank, no man is imputed and jailed.”
All it takes is for a black robed tyrant to bang his/her gavel and that can change. And given the current political climate I think it could happen sooner than some think,.
All it takes is for a black robed tyrant to bang his/her gavel and that can change.
That *could* happen, but all banks, which are strict about anonymity, would immediately go out of business. A woman like Lenti can still get her sperm from Canada is suitable banks are still in operation there.
“Are you a woman? If so, you are not qualified to evaluate whether another man is an idiot or not.”
True but she’s correct here. Impregnating a random woman today is functionally child abuse in addition to being monumentally idiotic. It hurts to think some men are that desperate to procreate.
I shudder to read of her insistence on a sexy donor. If I was cruel enough to be a solo parent, I would at least choose a donor for good health indicators over “must be a porn star”.
Is there a lot to learn from the story of an unrepentant slut? Its just a tragedy of our generation. She was lied to, believed the lies, rejected God and her life is the story of misery that awaits unrepentant sinners.
AS far as the point of this post – MarriedManSex talks about the need for alpha and beta a lot.
If you just want sex with strangers you can probably get away with a lot of pretending to be alpha. If you want more than that you probably need to have a wider range of attributes unless you can back up the alpha.
By that I mean, men are fooled by makeup and girls can be fooled by pretending to act alpha, but long term either you are Alpha in some way and can back that up or you or not and the girl is either pretty enough or she is not. For the girl, once the make up comes off, its not fooling anyone and if that is all there is when she falls in attractiveness from lack of makeup the relationship might fail. But you only need to appear alpha to one person, and she only needs to be beautiful to one so it can all work.
GunnerQ,
One man who wants to donate can substitute for many who choose not to. It is asymmetrical, and shame them is very similar to the illogic of how Tradcons think the way to stop abortions is to punish men.
Plus, there are as many women donating eggs too. More perhaps, since it pays much more.
There is some correlation between sexy and good health.
That women also sell their children doesn’t make men selling their children any less guilty.
That men are better equipped with reason makes their culpability worse.
There is a reckoning which awaits any sperm donor, I don’t care how “confidential” the clinic says they’ll keep your info, or that they’ll hold you harmless down the line. If (1) you make big bank in the next 15 years, and/or (2) the sprog has a genetic or illness issue, you are cruising for a bruising from a process server. Turkey Baster Mom plaintiff will demand, and get, your stuff. It’s For The Children. The only issue to enter judgment is if it’s your 23 chromosomes or not.
Sister Sarah will have her own reckoning when her sexy sons are old enough to ask the question every YouGoGrrl single mom gets, to which she will have no answer: “Where’s daddy? Why no daddy?”
There’s a whole chapter devoted to this subject in the Single Mother’s Handbook (yes it exists I have one go to the Amazon 99 cent beat-up table for your own copy). They have no answer either for the child. Just “reasons”.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned the most alarming possiblity is sorry donation. Half siblings could unknowingly marry.
As a younger man, trained in the sciences and thoroughly Blue-pilled, I was quite open to the idea of sperm donation. I never liked the idea, though of children being brought up without fathers’, largely because I got so much out of my own father I could never conceive what life would have been like without him. I reasoned that donor sperm would go to couples who had difficulty conceiving due to husband’s low sperm counts etc.
Now – knowing what I know regarding the plague of single motherhood, the gross circumstances of Planned Parenthood and the general lack of female morality, I’d say there is no way in hell I would donate sperm.
Difficulty conceiving? Try getting pregnant sooner in life, which means marrying sooner, being younger and less likely to pick up silent fertility-destroyers like Chlamydia.
Low sperm count? The younger a man is, the more fertile he is. His physical condition also isn’t rendered down by working two jobs or long commutes to a high-paying job he hates because Dearest wants a new SUV while living in the best suburb.
Can’t find a man? Tough luck.Life is about choices. You chose career and exciting Alphas above basic work and marriage. Now you have your career. On your deathbed, you can say, ”I wish I spent more time at the office…”
Scientific research? Using chopped-up babies, euphemistically called ”primary cell lines” is grossly abhorrent. If you want to cure cancer, find some other way.
Well, all I would want to add to this comment thread is the following:
Like many commenters here, I was raised Blue Pill. Then, my dealings with women taught me a few things, though it took a (long, long) while for me to, first, realize there were some things that had to be learned, and then, second, to figure out what they were, and then, finally, to learn them.
Here is, easily, the most important thing that women, by their behavior, and despite their words, have taught me:
This is the Reality. All commentary to the contrary, by anyone, is just various flavors of lies.
The only serious question arising, for a heterosexual male, is how to respond. Denial is, of course, an option. But it won’t change Reality.
Gosh, “where have all the good men gone?”
Frankly, Scarlett, I don’t give a damn.
Again, most sperm donors think they are helping couples, because until recently that was in fact true in most cases (and is still true for most egg donors).
The much harder point to make, albeit still a decent one, is that a donor who knows that many clients of the bank are Lenti-style single mothers who WILL acquire sperm some way, is at least a) crowding out criminal sperm, and b) saving an innocent man from the cuckservative trap of CS under imputation and imprisonment.
Remember, cuckservative LOVE it when an individual man is identified, tortured, and enslaved for conceiving a child. A sperm donor, at least, is a cruelty buffer that saves some man from paying CS to Lenti and eventually going to jail to satisfy cuckservative misandric bloodlust.
@Anon (brave of you)
“In case you had not noticed, sperm is so abundant that if one donor is not there, there are plenty of others who can take his place. A sperm donor is usually an upstanding citizen, vs. the serial killer or thug that women usually get tingles for.”
You have research and statistics to back this up, of course. You do also realize that there has been massive fraud in this industry to where a significant portion of England are half siblings. This is not including the other lawsuits regarding donor fraud when the kids come out sick, disabled or even the wrong race.
Mandy,
Most banks cap a donor at 10 conceptions. He can of course go to a different bank if he moves to a different city or drives to the far side of town. But at a cap of 10, the situation you describe is very statistically unlikely.
Remember that most traditional marriages were between people who were third or fourth cousins (usually unknowingly, but often with this knowledge). Any community that is big on staying within the community within their geography is full of third and fourth (and sometimes even second) cousin marriages.
@Anon
“Are you a woman? If so, you are not qualified to evaluate whether another man is an idiot or not”
Upon what authority are you calling to instruct me that I can not call any man who donates sperm an idiot or you one for your ridiculous comment about misandry? Please include YOUR sex, and what age, race and sex you must be to come to a logical conclusion and post it as a comment on a blog?.
“There are a lot of egg donors (i.e. females) too, you know.” They are idiots too.
“Condi Rice, who also had champagne tastes in men (she preferred to date professional athletes), and never did marry”
No doubt because she’s probably a 24-karat bitch who makes any man who spends more than half an hour with her want to castrate himself.
Condi is almost certainly typical of the solipsistic yougogrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl who believes that the alpha bad-boy male traits that she finds attractive in men are what attract alpha men to her. Black women, in particular, seem especially prone to thinking that “bitch = attractive,” when the polar opposite is true. It’s why so many of them are single and bitter.
Sister Sarah will have her own reckoning when her sexy sons are old enough to ask the question every YouGoGrrl single mom gets, to which she will have no answer: “Where’s daddy? Why no daddy?”
This is the point at which Sarah will turn nasty and abusive: when the boys start asking “why didn’t you marry our daddy?” Something she’ll fight to avoid discussing at ALL costs.
Something she’ll fight to avoid discussing at ALL costs.
She’ll just say he ran off, and is not on any social media. The kids will find out the truth from others (including this article).
Also note that Lenti’s preference for alphas who are aloof also makes her vulnerable to a Nigerian romance scam. She could lose all of her assets this way.
To be clear, yes a man’s last name was used for Jenny’s child. Best case scenario, she and the man were married privately, perhaps on the tropical island vacation, the man does not allow social media publicity of his personal life, and swelling during pregnancy did not allow her to wear her ring. Alternatively, they could have married, and he could have died shortly after. This is about 0.000000001% likely, but hopefully, for the sake of the child, one of these is true.
Is there a lot to learn from the story of an unrepentant slut? Its just a tragedy of our generation. She was lied to, believed the lies, rejected God and her life is the story of misery that awaits unrepentant sinners.
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So, it would seem, Dalrock, that the only women who don’t need asshole game are the post-wall women who have seen the writing on the wall she has just hit with God-Of-Biomechanical force. They would prefer to have a younger, hotter, more Alpha male, but are willing to settle for a “feminized beta” because they HAVE to. So what is a beta to do? A) Learn Game and get with a young hottie. B) Stay a beta boy and wait around until the young girl you think is so hot “rides the gears off the carousel” and then becomes the post-wall woman, who will never really love you, but will be with you because all the Alpha men have rejected her.
Sometimes sperm bank owners lie about the “donors” and use their own sperm.
One Austrian Jew, who ran a sperm bank, might have sired 1,000 babies with his sperm: http://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto-man-may-have-1-000-siblings-through-sperm-donor-1.794787
Apart from sperm banks, this NYC professor sired 22 kids by donating his spem in public bathrooms: http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/professor-who-donates-sperm-in-city-bathrooms-has-sired-22-kids/
It is said, is it not, that the highway to Hell is tramacadamed with good intentions and such was surely the case with IVF. The results are monstruous.
It is my view that biological Lesbians are no more real than biological unicorns and one fails a fitness test by acknowledging the existence of the Lesbian.
Our leaders work very hard to derange our senses of Jerk and Nice Guy. Most of the young men I work with are pushovers, but think of themselves as Nice Guys. They were raised mostly by women; under the expectations of women.
Since we are past 100 messages, I hope I may insert here the proposed Confessional Lutheran solution to this problem: http://issuesetc.org/2017/04/27/1173-biblical-manhood-pr-jeff-hemmer-42717/
It is about a book called (how else, wait for it), Man Up. Or rather a part interview of, part lecture by the pastor who wrote it. And this must be the worst man up of all man ups. What I mean is that they intend to define real manhood by extrapolating it from Christ hanging on the cross. That is, they get as close as they can get – without explicitly saying it aloud – to stating that women should be considered sinless and that the man is at fault if she ever does wrong.
If you are not hardened to this kind of stuff I’m afraid this will blow your brains out just by listening to it. They define effeminacy as a kind of selfishness and a sin common to both genders. They hardly talk about femininity at all, but their definition of masculinity sounds very much like an extreme version of femininity. I mean, how would you feel like “giving life by dying for your loved ones”, as in going through the family court system? You can’t say they are defining a man to be pushover, but more like something that has nothing left to push over.
We have a local Confessional Lutheran movement that is famed for its “boy pastors”. We have many young, conservative theologians here who can’t get ordained in our mainline Lutheran church if they refuse to do it alongside women. So they get ordained in a small Confessional separatist movement. One such boy pastor shared this talk in social media with glowing endorsements, calling it wisdom.
From a regular reader, you might like to talk about her, Dalrock! (Thanks for your quality blog and its content. One of the best in the manosphere!)
Andrea Wesley explains how the dating market turned her into a salty b… woman.
I found another blog with the same name, maybe the same author, and her bitterness, saltiness is worth taking a look.
https://singlevancouver.wordpress.com/author/singlevancouver/
Cordialement!
http://www.bolde.com/modern-dating-culture-turned-bitch/
@Isa
Heres to hope.
http://issuesetc.org/2017/04/27/1173-biblical-manhood-pr-jeff-hemmer-42717/
I listed to an excerpt of this dreck. It said something about how women are intrinsically incapable of being responsible for their own actions, or at least incapable of being responsible for doing anything negative. If women do anything wrong, its entirely due to the men in her life failing her somehow. Extreme feminism is due, 100%, to weak men failing to step up to their role of protecting women.
I only listed to it briefly, but I do get the strong impression its saying women can do no wrong, all the bad things that we might be tempted to ascribe to women are due to men.
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Are all women addicted to aloof jerks?
Yes. Next question…
All kidding aside, it isn’t that fact that a guy is an aloof jerk that women are attracted to, it’s that aloof jerks display the characteristics women are attracted to like moths to a flame… That is why I say, “Never listen to what a woman says. Look at the behavior she rewards.” That is reality – it is that simple. So women will say what they “think” they are supposed to want – not what attracts them, but they will spread their legs for what they actually find attractive – it is as simple as that.
@JS, yep. aloof jerks are generally focussed on some other goal rather than her, thats what she wants most of all.
Really what women want is a guy who dosnt need them AT ALL.
He wants them and is just..just… able to restrain himself from consuming her, but he never needs her.
If you give that to women, in my experience, they will go bananas.
@Dalrock: “I haven’t found hard numbers, but for the clinic in this story only six percent of the women using IVF were doing so to become single mothers.”
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I’m a little late to this party, but this jumped out at me. Women who aspire to become single mothers have two options:
1. IVF – all by yourself, probably expensive (depending on insurance specifics)
2. Maternity fraud – dupe some sap into thinking you are infertile or on birth control, then collect cash for 18 years.
I suspect the 6% is pretty consistent.
And all the Gilligans say: “but it takes two.”
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