Back in June of 2016 The Association of National Advertisers and its Alliance for Family Entertainment launched an initiative titled #SeeHer, to boost girls’ self esteem by making sure women are portrayed correctly in commercials. As AdAge explains:
The Association of National Advertisers and its Alliance for Family Entertainment are out to eliminate bias against women from advertising and media, launching #SeeHer in an effort backed by the White House and tracked by ongoing consumer surveys.
…The White House is particularly concerned about under-representation of women in the fields of science, technology, engineering and medicine, or STEM, which it believes is tied to how women are portrayed in media, said AFE Chairman and former Walmart CMO Stephen Quinn.
Viacom created its own commercial dedicated to the topic, titled It isn’t rocket science. As is noted in the commercial’s title, the point is that women don’t actually have to do STEM for young girls to see women doing STEM. Offering girls pretend examples is just as good, so long as they see women doing the activity in question:
A female scientist at The Pentagon is working frantically to fix an emergency computer. Once she figures out the problem, she races to let the president know that it wasn’t an attack, but rather a mainframe failure, and saves the day just in time. The scene flashes back to a young girl learning about computers at school, seemingly imagining the previous situation as her future. Viacom says that portraying a strong, intelligent female character isn’t rocket science. If a young girl sees her, she can be her.
This feminists preference for make believe over real achievement is nothing new. As soon as Charles Lindbergh completed his historic solo transatlantic flight in May of 1927, the race was on to find a woman whom girls could look up to as a female version of Lindbergh. After multiple failed attempts, finally a woman was found who could cut her hair, dress up like a man, and allow men to fly her across the Atlantic! On June 17 1928, Lady Lindy was born when Wilmer Stultz and Louis Gordon successfully transported Amelia Earhart across the Atlantic via airplane.
Ninety years have passed, but the objective hasn’t changed:
How can we show girls pretend examples of women’s achievement?
However with new times come new methods. In the past women had to cut their hair and dress like men to accomplish this goal. Today however we aren’t confined to the old ways. Now men can grow out their hair and dress as women to do the same thing.
H/T Oscar.
Fat lot of good feminism did Amelia Earhart, at least when it came to flight training. She ran out of gas over water looking for the airport on a small island in the Pacific ocean. She did not know how to properly set up her radio gear, and could not hear the people trying to reach her to help her find the airport; however they could hear her.
As a male pilot, if I did that and survived, the FAA (or whatever government agency was responsible for regulating pilots) would simply violate me for careless and reckless operation of an aircraft, and no one would be calling me a “legendary aviator.” It must a great feeling when people give you credit, fame, and attention simply because you are a chick, but I would know…
Sorry, typo, meant to say – “It must a great feeling when people give you credit, fame, and attention simply because you are a chick, but I WOULD NOT know…”
I was going to say, those three cyclists in the picture look a bit hefty to be “world champion” cyclists.
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More accurate title for that article at the end? 2017 is the last year a biological female will have been the world champion in women’s cycling.
Yay Guys! Fake achievements are just as real as actual achievements! Phew! Now women are equal to men and men can go suck it! Whoopee! I’ll just let Wonda Womah sort it all out, she might be a fake superhero but that’s just as real as any reality so there… deal with it!
If a young girl sees her, she can be her.
See her, be her. Does this work for girls? I used to see Mike Tyson knock people out and wanted to be able to do that myself. I even trained for it. Didn’t happen though.
It’s long been said by feminists that, “A woman can do anything a man can do, and do it even better!”
Okay, so why all the hashtag social media campaigns? Why all of the government programs? Why the Affirmative Action programs that make it harder for men to get the same qualification?
IF women can do the job, why don’t they just shut up and do it?
Note that the PSA has to resort to fiction to portray what they want to portray.
Note that Dr. Rachel McKinnon also has to resort to fiction.
@ Frank K
Track cyclists are sprinters. Road cyclists are endurance athletes. Sprinting requires a lot of strength, so track cyclists tend to be pretty “hefty” when compared to road cyclists.
Plus, one of them’s a dude, so….
This is the real death knell to Western civilization. When Western women are brainwashed to be more interested in being make-believe “scientists”, when they should be at home raising the next generation of scientists, the West is on its way out.
I fear that the Muslims will take over Europe without the need to fire a single shot. Same might happen here, though it might take longer, unless the country changes course.
Because they can talk all they want about being like a man…but when the rubber hits the road they realize they are a woman.
Or the tl;dr version…truth hurts.
Heard a radio commercial a few weeks ago. Two children were playing house. The girl played the mommy. She said, “Okay, so I’ll go to the office, fix the computers, study for my MBA, then take my daughter to soccer practice.”
The other kid (can’t tell if the voice was female, or a high-pitch boy) said, “Mommies don’t do that.”
The girl said, “My mommy does. My mommy can do anything!”
Then the commercial touted some for-profit college with courses for an MBA, computers, paralegal, etc.
Commercials have been celebrating and promoting women’s career achievements for decades now.
@ Dave
They certainly could. All they have to do is wait a few decades and they’ll become the majority by out-breeding the Europeans. However, I doubt that Muslims are patient enough to do that. I think they’ll play their hand when they’re about 20% of the population, and there will be war.
Frank K says:
“I was going to say, those three cyclists in the picture look a bit hefty to be “world champion” cyclists.”
They are track cycling sprinters. Here is an amusing example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ
As a former smart girl and mom of a smart girl, I have to tell you that most intelligent girls can see this “you go girl” kind of piece for the nonsense it is. You don’t just aspire to a celebrated STEM job and magically end up in one. Smart girls realize that you need to have the interest and ability, not to mention the time and money to earn probably several degrees in some very complicated and specialized subject area before you are eligible to hold such a position.
As my daughter was completing high school, so many of the girls in the college prep classes claimed they wanted to be doctors. Not just ordinary GPS, of course—they wanted to be orthopedic surgeons and pediatric oncologists and neonatal cardiologists. My daughter noticed that these claims garnered these girls a lot of attention from teachers and the community. But obviously they were just claims and aspirations. Now that these girls are 22 or so, not one is actually enrolled in medical school. I sometimes wonder if the parents who bragged about their daughters’ grandiose goals ever feel silly.
This type of advertising piece is like the shows on the Disney channel (is that still around?) and Nickelodeon. It appeals to the daycare kids, often with divorced parents, who don’t have adults in their lives to guide them consistently and show them how reality works and how to set goals inline with their abilities, interests, and life’s calling. So when a PSA on TV tells them that the cool thing for girls is a STEM career, that must be the truth! Let’s do it!
My daughter shunned every invitation she received as a high school student to attend a “women in x” career day. It seemed dumb and fake to her to have career exploration segregated by gender. So now she’s working successfully in a male-dominated business field and saving her money, so she can someday drop that career like it’s hot if she ever gets the chance to be a wife and mother.
Oscar says: October 15, 2018 at 4:51 pm
All they have to do is wait a few decades and they’ll become the majority by out-breeding the Europeans. However, I doubt that Muslims are patient enough to do that. I think they’ll play their hand when they’re about 20% of the population, and there will be war.
It’s a sobering thought that the best hope for Western Civilization is that its enemies are just too fidgety to sit down and wait.
Rachel McKinnon is now teeeting that all of her detractors are transphobic bigots.
So hear me out for a second.
Transphobia of course is appropriating the language of the mental health profession (phobias are a legitimate, sometimes debilitating psychiatric condition).
I’m told that we are supppsed to working against the stigma and discrimination those with severe mental illness face.
So as a psychologist I would like to stand up and defend transphobes, for they are ostracized and their disability made much harder by this kind of public shaming.
“Rachel McKinnon is now teeeting that all of her detractors are transphobic bigots”
I am definitely not transphobic. I’m disgusted by them but I’m not afraid of them.
Well, I’m just saying.
Although there are no evidence-based treatment protocols to cure the condition, if you come see me I can at least provide a judgment-free environment of unconditional positive regard where we can collaboratively explore your treatment goals.
That’s what therapists are supposed to do. I learned that in graduate school.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/15/retired-feminist-professsor-in-washpo-i-wish-all-men-were-dead/
Except focus on being a mother to her child. She’s got more important things to do like take on the male dominated places.
steve heller says:
October 15, 2018 at 6:25 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/10/15/retired-feminist-professsor-in-washpo-i-wish-all-men-were-dead/
Has anyone told this vile piece of trash that what she is doing to her husband is childish, stupid abuse?
For the AI guys who comment around here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/amazon-built-ai-to-hire-people-discriminated-against-women-2018-10
After watching that video, all I can say is pass the barf bag.
Here’s my PSA…
While she’s imagining some fictional setting about knowing what a core is and what her self assured smirk will look like…the boys are actually studying, experimenting, and figuring out what the core is about.
“Proud single mom,” actress January Jones, says that a father figure would be toxic for her son: http://thepoliticalheat.com/proud-single-mom-january-jones-father-figure-would-be-toxic-for-my-son/
The former Mad Men actress says she’s a proud single mom whose son doesn’t need a father because she doesn’t want a man around the house to teach him “sh**ty things.”
Speaking to Red magazine, the actress best known for her role as Betty Draper says that she prefers to parent her five-year-old son Xander without any dad figures in his life. She believes having a strong male influence would do the boy more harm than good.
“It’s good to have strong women around a man. To teach him to respect women,” she said. “He doesn’t have a male person in his life saying ‘don’t cry’ or ‘you throw like a girl.’ All those sh**ty things dads accidentally do.
RPL
I say those kinds of things to my sons on purpose.
What…like how to be man? Single mommy can’t have that. He might cause badfeelz in her.
I wonder if anyone has contacted Prof. Cathering MacKinnon for comment on Rachel McKinnon’s stunning female achievement?
Since Andrea Dworkin isn’t available anymore, Prof. Cathy should pick up the slack.
Spike tees up retired Prof. “I hate all men and wish all men were dead” Brown:
Has anyone told this vile piece of trash that what she is doing to her husband is childish, stupid abuse?
Did you skim through the 1200 comments at Jeff Bezos WashPo site under the original opinion piece?
I vaguely recalled an event that occured to me in science class, middle School.
The female teacher was banging in our heads that we needed more women in science. Maybe she was talking only for 3 or 4 minutes, but it seemed to me like 15 minutes. I couldn’t shut up anymore, so I asked her “why it was needed to have more women in sciences”.
Her answer was so vague and confusing that all the ôther pupil could see I agreed with her so she’d shut up!
Anyway, a few years ago, my former neighbor, who went to the same middle School than I did , tells me she was in … Sciences, got her degree in it, spent two years in a lab, but preferred to talk to people. She decided to… (Drum roll) work with children!
You can’t force people to be attracted to a field they’re not attracted to.
Have a great night, all.
https://americandadweb.wordpress.com/2018/10/16/things-i-was-amused-by-this-week/
Anonymous Reader says:
October 15, 2018 at 7:53 pm
Spike tees up retired Prof. “I hate all men and wish all men were dead” Brown:
Has anyone told this vile piece of trash that what she is doing to her husband is childish, stupid abuse?
Did you skim through the 1200 comments at Jeff Bezos WashPo site under the original opinion piece
– Didn’t originally, but have now, AR. Thanks for pointing it out. Shows there still is decency in the world!
Except focus on being a mother to her child. She’s got more important things to do like take on the male dominated places.
I’m waiting for the ad where the little kid says “Mommy says that I’m a burden. What’s a burden?”
I understand what you’re saying. Perhaps I should have been more specific. What I meant to say is that they don’t look particularly athletic nor muscular. I would expect sprint cyclists to have incredibly muscular legs, like men and women who run 100m sprints. I guess they don’t.
@earl : it’s a staged photo. Which makes it even more interesting for analysis.
One guy with glasses is staged to look at a black computer screen, the pimpled guy is looking downward while pushing a soldering iron with his left hand, and not using his right hand, in a PCB full of sensitive electronics, probably with SMD components. It’s super fake.
While the boys are NOT looking into the camera, the girl (with –fake– glasses to make her look smart) is, and is positioned in a superior position in the middle of the frame, supposedly mastering both boys
It’s the feminist narrative at work.
Except focus on being a mother to her child. She’s got more important things to do like take on the male dominated places.
Career moms claim that going off to work, and leaving their child home alone, benefits the child.
A career mom provides the child with a positive role model — that of a strong, independent woman. This teaches daughters that they too can become strong, independent career women when they grow up. And it teaches sons to seek strong, independent career women for their wives.
“I’m going off to a fulfilling career, and leaving you home alone, so that someday you too will go off to a fulfilling career and leave your children home alone. I hope you’ll learn from this valuable lesson.”
I had a SAHM growing up. I think it works out better for kids having their mother around during those first years of life.
Sidenote: 9 times out of 10 I see mothers lamenting and crying about how hard it is to go back to work and taking the kid to daycare after maternity leave ends. I really think most of them deep down know the score when it comes to career versus raising kids…but the herd keeps pushing the opposite narrative.
@Earl: You’re right, but what happens is the moms quickly get over their lamenting and instead talk about how this is working out great for everybody. The kids seem happy, Mom gets adjusted–voila! Returning to work was clearly the right choice!
And then you have moms like a friend of mine, who went absolutely bananas during the 6 weeks she was off after giving birth and returned to work very happily. (I think she found her son somewhat less annoying by the time he reached his 4th birthday.)
Housewives, whores, widows, or nuns….
Ladies, take your pick.
“If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes accepted as truth.”
Joseph Goebbels
The timer went to 0 before the situation was resolved. Even nuclear holocaust must cede to a woman speaking.
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@Damn Crackers
Truth at 8:32 AM
My dentist Miss H. was I thought very good. A year or so ago I was informed that she was now on maternity leave but would be back in time for the next appointment. She wasn’t but the same promise was repeated. Again no show but this time I was told that she was not coming back as presumably she preferred motherhood. This is fine for her child but not so good for me or for the Dental Profession. I am in luck however and my newest female dentist – straight out of Med School – as was her predecessor – seems excellent.
The BBC are so my father always said a disgusting organisation – I think he was right. I had a girlfriend who worked there which is how I am not unfamiliar with a number of their premises and she was always under-worked (and overpaid) as the BBC was greatly overstaffed. Now the BBC insist that half of all commissions for new music must go to a girl. This is what will happen; nothing very bad will be produced but neither will anything very good: men may abandon composition as it becomes a girly line-of-work. It won’t be long before some of these girls will, like my dentist retire to motherhood. Others will become bored and lazy and it wont then be long before stories will emerge that some man or other is the real composer. He will do it for a fraction of her fee or in the hope of hot-sex (with which he will not be rewarded).
Last week the BBC broadcast an interview with Helena Kennedy Q.C. whose view was that the legal system was biased against the female sex. I suppose that is right provided one is of the view equally that being able to play the pussy-pass on almost all occasions is a form of oppression.
I also predict (how could I overlook this) that these women composers will (after their looks have vanished and the commissions have dried-up) claim that they have been Weinsteined on the piano-stool #doh-re-metoo. In proof of this I cannot but notice that until the last decade or so those few composers who were female all had a chewed-wasp visage and thus low SMV but the new crop are not like that, own a mirror which they use and thus have a much-higher SMV.
The reason that women are the minority in STEM jobs is that the vast majority of women prefer not to go into STEM education. Why do so-called feminists invest so much money and effort to brainwash young women into doing something that the majority of women do not want to do? Doesn’t that go against the entire idea of empowering women?
Two thumbs up for #doh-re-metoo. 🙂
@Opus – How much did the British gov’t spend to train that dentist of yours? Since she decided on motherhood as an occupation after all that dentist schooling, is there anyway to get that money back from her?
RPL and Heidi,
Both responses you highlighted, “it’s good for my kid to see me achieve and work hard” and “phew, mothering ain’t me, not born that way, not sorry” are so depressing to hear and have made up every response I have heard over the years except two. One fast-rising woman decided to quit work when she started having kids and a secular one did the same afyer birthing kid #4. All the others over 25 years here fell into the categories you two named.
Re: Female dentist: We need to learn the meaning of “opportunity cost,” a very simple concept presented in my high school econ class (which was mostly pretty awful; we watched a bunch of movies and had a candy-eating contest) but which is extremely important to everyone embarking on adulthood.
I think the best choice for most women is getting married, having kids, and raising the next generation, but for those women who believe that they would excel in resource-intensive occupations such as the medical profession, scientific research, and engineering, I think they ought NOT to marry and have children, since their competing obligations will mean that some very important duty is being neglected. But this is Mean, since Men Can Have It All. Back to male envy again!
(P.S. I’m not against mothers earning money, as long as it’s not through one of those stupid MLM schemes; I do a very little freelance proofreading work at home that brings in a bit of cash and keeps my hand in for when my kids are older and I can seek paid employment again, but it doesn’t interfere with my primary job.)
Damn Crackers,
“Housewives, whores, widows, or nuns….
Ladies, take your pick.”
But but but…it is a sliding scale, not a ‘one-time pick’ sort of thing!
Nun—> nun—>nun—-> nun = lifetime goodgirl/ actual nun/asexual/undefined being
Nun—.> Housewife—-> Housewife—>Widow = most good women’s trajectory in life, if lucky, minus the final sad one
Nun—-> Housewife—->Whore—–> Widow = the good girl gone bad/covert Alpha widow
Nun—> Whore—-> Housewife—–> Widow = the ‘what on Earth happened?” girl turned good/overt Alpha widow
Whore—-> nun—>Housewife—> Widow = the siren who got lucky/bomb waiting to go off/lock up your sons girl
Nun—-> Housewife—> Widow—–> Whore = Grief can do strange things girl/Post traumatic Stress disorder of the unmentionable variety
Whore—-> nun—–> Widow—> Housewife = Outlaw chick running from the Police/mistaken identity situation/could be genuine transformation
Whore—–> Whore—-> Whore—-> nun = extreme case of deathbed transformation
Whore—> Whore—–> nun—> Whore = can’t make up mind/multiple personality disorder/keep a wide berth girl
Nun—-> Housewife—-> Widow—-> nun = the perfect Catholic Woman come full circle
Nun—-> Housewife—> Housewife—–>Housewife = Good woman, husband therefore refuses to die
Nun—> Housewife—-> Whore—-> Whore = Covert Alpha widow, husband wishes to die but can’t
Housewife—> Widow—-> nun—> Whore = Severely mentally deranged distinct from Post Traumatic Stress disorder, contains a huge spiritual element
Housewife—> Housewife—-> Housewife—> Housewife = stable girl, constant solid values
Nun—>Housewife—> Widow—> Widow = unlucky dear
Housewife—> Widow—> Widow—-> Widow = very unlucky dear
Whore—> Whore—-> Whore—-> Whore = oh dear…
Heidi,
You made a crack in the tent that a camel can fit into. You don’t think an english or philosophy or a studies professor or teacher or office worker will see themselves different than the worker you described and then conclude it’s okay for them to work and have kids?
Warthog,
It is all a power play. They don’t care about empowering anyone but themselves. These “Women in X” things only serve to enhance their power, not seek the best for anyone.
I know the point was that she was finished ahead of the boys, but I had to laugh that the image the girls are supposed to “see” is “her” daydreaming and the boys working steadily.
There is a sense in which I do believe in the “see her be her” idea: my daughters see a lot of their mother, and they definitely try to be like her. Consequently, they all have had their baby dolls since they were old enough to hold them. Boom.
Swanny: Every woman could see herself as an “exception” to some rule, and the fact that so many women divorce while protesting that divorce should only be reserved for very exceptional situations shows the extent to which my sex is good at rationalizing our decisions. I can’t say what office workers will or won’t do, but the fact is that most office workers do not require years of specialized education and training. I hope that quite a few jobs will stop requiring BAs, frankly, since they’re not really needed; teachers could easily be competently trained as undergrads if they cut out the useless pedagogical courses that every teacher seems to hate. The most sensible choice for women is to NOT spend many years and lots of money on career prep, and to stop working when babies come along.
But there are a few women unsuited for marriage and motherhood who could in fact excel in scientific careers, and if they’re good doctors and scientists I’m not going to say they should be prohibited from following that career path. BUT, they shouldn’t renege and then decide they want to have babies to stay home with. Make your choice, then stick with it, or pay back the resources you used when you took a place from a qualified man.
As far as PhDs in the humanities go, I would see 90% of them abolished. In college I realized, reading literary theory and criticism, that what I was reading had no more validity than the “studies” written by Sherlock Holmes enthusiasts on what date a particular adventure “took place,” or how many times Watson was married. Good literature is marvelous and important and inspiring, but if someone removed all Shakespeare scholarship from the world aside from definitions of now-obsolete words we would be not one whit the worse off. (I except that criticism which is literature in its own right, such as that of Pope.) Ditch sociology; confine historical research to actually finding out what happened in the past; abolish “communications,” and you’d trim a lot of fat from the ivory towers.
Heidi,
I am convinced that most women are made to be discontent with being a mother. It is a part of pushing women to be discontent in life to help achieve the social change goals many have. Even those women could enjoy being a mother if they would decide to enjoy it. They despise it instead because that is what has been reinforced for so many years.
Think of how many think 2 children is now a maximum as well? That took a mental shift and is destructive for a society, yet even supposed “conservatives” regularly say things to reinforce it. The same is true for woman staying home to raise children. Add in the risk it puts a man of being divorced for more cash and prizes later and you get an unrealistic life supported as good and normal.
That’s true, Billy. I suspect it’s rather like homosexuality–there have always been individuals attracted to members of their same sex, but in cultures that normalize and celebrate it (such as ours) you see a great deal more homosexuality. It is not considered pathological. In the same way, a woman discontented with the “ordinary” course of marriage and children is celebrated, and the more she is discontented the more she is celebrated.
@Opus
So-called equality is imaginary
Above IQ 130 there’s a 2:1 male:female ratio for adult humans.
Another chart shows in which profession high IQ people prefer to invest their talents
It shows the health profession is severely dominated by women, and by lower IQ people.
(So STEM should probably include Philosophy, but exclude Medicine.)
Housewives, whores, widows, or nuns….
Ladies, take your pick.
I asked around and a lot of them picked HouseNun.
@Damn Crackers
These days in England students have to pay fees (it is different in Scotland). They repay when they have earned enough. I suppose therefore my former Dental Surgeon has repaid the money loaned. That is all well and good but facilitating her has meant that some unknown man has been prevented from joining the ranks of the Profession of the Dentists and thus will not be likely to attract a mate and become a parent. I was much surprised therefore – not so much that my new English dentist was female – but that she was neither Eastern European or Asian for we steal the medical personal that they train.
As a matter of interest and this is affirmed by Professor Catherine Hakim there are no more women in full-time work now than there were in 1900. I think the word to note there is full-time.
@OKRickety
I think that I am a little behind the times for I understand it has now morphed to #Mesioux
As an aside: the STEM (Science, technology, engineering, and mathematics) category is a bit of a forced one. I prefer to discern between science and engineering. Science tries to understand how things work (which include mathematics), while engineering tries to change our culture by making things. So it is not science that brought us to the moon, but engineering (and engineers use science, so it’s fair to account for the discoveries of science).
Our current society really doesn’t appreciate how much engineers have been at the forefront of changing culture for the better. Engineers have done more in giving us more spare time with a better quality of life than many are aware of. Just think of how the electricity, computer, and internet infrastructures have changed our lives.
As others have rightly identified: look outside, everything you see is designed, built and maintained by men.
@LP: “I asked around and a lot of them picked HouseNun.”
Hilarious!
@Jean “So now she’s working successfully in a male-dominated business field and saving her money, so she can someday drop that career like it’s hot if she ever gets the chance to be a wife and mother.”
Handsome, athletic early 30s (I look 25) here. Large saver, barbell lifter, well reasoned thinker, serious about marriage and family including homeschooling if needed. A quality wife is hard to find but I’m looking.
By Josh Dehaas
When Canadian physics professor Donna Strickland won the Nobel Prize last week, it was bound to be a big story. She’s only the third woman out of about 200 to have ever received the honour.
When journalists gathered at the University of Waterloo where Strickland works, she was asked about her gender. Stickland told the reporters that the world has come a long way since the last time the Nobel was awarded to a woman, in 1963, and that she “has always been paid the same and treated the same” as men.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/sexism-in-stem-isnt-as-clearcut-as-youve-been-led-to-believe?fbclid=IwAR1CJ1ZKmcM15XhO4NaIUGMSYT7xgA0l-RzH-5lbMocnZI2sMO3elx2Afkw
@ Paul
They get lumped together because there’s a lot of overlap between those disciplines. I’m an engineer, but I also minored in math, and I do a lot of work for scientists that need the practical side of their experiments done, and either can’t, or would rather not do it themselves.
There’s a spectrum of personalities in those fields. There are the more practical types, like me (I enlisted as a tank mechanic when i was 17), and at the opposite end of the spectrum are the theoretical scientists who operate on a whole other plane*. And there is everything in between. Some scientists I know are pretty good engineers, and some engineers I know are pretty good scientists.
*I don’t envy those guys. They’re so smart that dealing with normal humans is a constant source of frustration for them.
Because if you often notice it’s not about educating women…it’s about taking on a ‘male dominated’ field. It’s another way they invade a male only space.
@Oscar
I agree there’s a lot of overlap in the “tools” used, but to put it simply: a scientist takes a clock apart to understand how it works, while an engineer constructs something from nothing to measure time and calls it a clock. ‘Design’ is the closest we humans can approach ‘creatio ex nihilo’. Fascinating!
In 1960 1% of the engineers were female, in 2000 11%. Software engineering has the largest percentage of women. It’s one of the last male strongholds.
This talk about women, careers, and being a mother reminds me of this scene.
Nick Mgtow
she “has always been paid the same and treated the same” as men.
Saw the photo and I #believeher.
Lost Patrol says: October 16, 2018 at 3:12 pm
Nick Mgtow
she “has always been paid the same and treated the same” as men.
Saw the photo and I #believeher.
Ouch!
Earl, your Scrubs video is cult!
A show I used to enjoy for the 4/5 first seasons, because it was original, and about smart, awkward young men was turned into… a female space with men allowed.
Just like you said about why feminists want to force women in young fields they have no interests into.
Paul
a scientist takes a clock apart to understand how it works, while an engineer constructs something from nothing to measure time and calls it a clock.
Ask an engineer what time it is and he’ll tell you how to construct a clock.
This is not always a value-added feature.
Let me play the smallest violin for the boomer parents who have this lament. Hey but on the flip side they have empowered daughters who need no man.
@AR
An engineer will not tell you to go construct a clock, he builds it himself.
Given the world we live in I think the only realistic message we can give daughters is you can have it all you just cannot have it all at the same time. Since biology has a clock – have children young, take care of them, and then go and pursue a career as they get older. There is no career you cannot have not have with this life plan. You will be older than your peers starting out but that will not stop you.
I think telling young women they should never have careers is not realistic. Ambition is powerful and the world message is seductive. But simply discussing biology and the way God made us can set the time order for how we pursue these things chronologically. You can have it all – just not at once.
No woman today can have a career as an NBA players Kevin. They really can’t have it all anymore than men can have it all. I am never going to be as rich as Bill Gates either, nor play in the NBA for that matter.