Feminism is ironically founded on an unshakable faith in the benevolence of men. This is implicit in (as just one example*) the whole complaint about “rape culture”. Feminists have faith that men will solve all of their problems, which is why they loudly and regularly insist that only men can solve their problems. Any proposed solution to a feminist “problem” that involves women taking even the smallest of actions is immediately shouted down. They know that the more they falsely accuse men of lacking good will, the more men will strive to prove their good will. The more feminists act in bad faith, the more men will scramble to prove their good faith.
As absurd as it is it works beautifully so it is hard to argue with. At least in the West, men’s goodwill really does seem inexhaustible. An exchange I had with a commenter back in 2012 comes to mind. I had written a post with advice to unmarried women on how to avoid the marriage crunch so many of their sisters are already experiencing. Commenter Nas questioned my loyalty as a man:
You know this one thing really bugs me about many in the manosphere, the desire and need to give females advice. What team are you playing for anyway?!
I asked Nas:
Are you angry that I’m giving women good advice, or that they won’t take it?
He responded:
– Both but especially the latter.
*See here and here for other examples.
Related posts from other bloggers:
- Adam Piggott: It turns out that men are the ones who can have it all.
- Cane Caldo: Treading While Muzzled
See Also: Why Game is a threat to our values.
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And now, the 1,342 Bill Burr clip posted here. In this one Bill gives the answer to all women comediennes on how to be successful.
this also reminds me of:
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/40-years-of-ultimatums/
For feminism to work, and feminists know this, men could not change. Any attempt by men as a group to change (from the men’s clubs of the late 1800’s to the exploding MGTOW population of today) is met with condemnation, ridicule, infiltration, and even violence (from the actual violence of Carrie Nation to the fantasy violence of the TV series Dietland of today).
The social fabric is now, as it always has been and always will be, controlled by women for the benefit of women. Feminism has evolved the social fabric into the fabric of government and business. Why do government and business go along with this? As always, follow the money and it will lead you to the truth. They both profit handsomely from the feminist agenda.
Anything that interferes with profit will not be tolerated by government or business and the current oligarchy that controls both and is both. Men changing (adapting to the current social/legal environment) by removing their innate benevolence towards women is a profit threatening challenge that must be destroyed.
Hence, men’s groups are now identified as “hate groups” and marginalized as fringe violent nut cases (the SPLC putting AVFM on their hate group list and also the manosphere in general). The individual man refusing to participate (MGTOW) is similarly marginalized by the social fabric women control and the men heavily invested in that social fabric (particularly Tradcons).
So, a 21st century man is faced with a dilemma. Either voluntarily remain benevolent to the social, legal, government, business fabric now woven around him thereby exposing himself to their power to destroy or refuse to participate, which causes the social aspect to destroy him but removes the power of the other three to do the same.
Social destruction (expulsion from the herd) is logically a small price to pay for removal of the power of the state to destroy a man. Benevolence to the herd is expensive and dangerous as the herd is never satisfied and will force even more benevolence (forced benevolence?) at the point of a gun (the courts).
Benevolence to oneself is wealth building and safe. Which is exactly how women are biologically and socially programmed to think and behave. What it boils down to is that men are now beginning to think like women and directing their benevolence inward, not outward. Such a behavioral shift in men is heresy of the highest order and will eventually destroy the fabric of all the aforementioned systems that rely upon the status quo (men not changing). The systems know it and it scares the bejesus out of them.
But, as history as proven time and again, when tyrants are confronted with the reasonable grievances of their subjects they do not even attempt a resolution. They always double down on their tyranny. It is only going to get worse, much worse. Cheers. I think.
Traditional conservatives and evangelical protestants, especially those in ministry, are petrified that women are going to call them sexist, intolerant, haters of women, etc. They are scared to death of that kind of recrimination and reproof from women. They learned as boys to make sure Mommy is always happy, you see. And women around church are collective “Mommy”. Women who control the tithe money, who call in to the radio shows, who buy the self help books Arterburn Dobson, Rainey, etc. put out, are “Mommy”. Their wives are “Mommy”; they married Mommy. They are scared to death their wives will be in the dining room breaking the china piece by piece as a “Wake Up Call”. They are terrified their wives will lecture them about how they’re not getting the job done at home.
It all really comes down to wives threatening and lowering the boom, and saying “Do what I want and give me what I want and stop doing what I don’t want, or NO SEX FOR YOU.”
So I think that what you’re seeing is not only about inexhaustible good will; but also about being afraid to disappoint Mommy.
My sometime girlfriend accused me of being a chauvinist. I have no idea what that means but she’s a professional linguist who says she cannot get her head around French and is unable to pronounce the word bourgeois. Funny then that she should retreat to a French word and not an easy one to pronounce to accuse me of being whatever it is that a chauvinist might be. Do I look bothered?
We live in a machine which strips the responsible of resources to bribe the irresponsible to vote for it while lubricating itself with the endless greed of women’s unrestrained egos, run at the top by a cult of pedophiles. As God is merciful this WILL crash and burn. The alternative is far more unthinkable.
…So they rely on the inexhaustible supply of benevolence huh? Have they even met a human being before?
@deti
I agree that is part of it. The poosy pedestal is ultimately about access to sex but it is also about approval. First its mom, then is the teachers, church leaders, and then romantic interests.
A lack of fathers and the war on men and masculinity further elevated female opinion to its untenable height. There is no longer masculine authority (or even value) to buttress the feminine desire to lord over men.
So for most men, they learn early and often that female – not male, approval is the gateway. Its why shit tests trap so many men. Its why most men internalize the ‘happy wife happy life’ mantra as opposed to empowered rational self interest. Even for those men who manage to elevate their mission to its rightful place, our culutre is rotton with trapdoors looking to dismount him from his mistaken autonomy.
Like the old set of books this kinda worked for a while. It stopped working, however, when fem 2.0 deatroyed the masculine buttresses, gutten the culture of masculine anchor points, and escalated the programming to kill masculinity in the cradle.
All that is left is the appeal to female authority or the labyrinth of the red pill.
I see our culture as a meta embodiment of the borderline personality disorder. The feminine megaphone responds to any challenge to female supremacy just as the BPD chick would when the man trapped in the nector of her venus. Fear, anxiety, and anger; irrational outbursts, and ultimately a lknging for self harm and even death. The worst thing to do is give into this. Tradcucks have been enabling this for going on three generations.
This is an interesting idea to explore further.
Feminists were very wise to leverage and lean upon male benevolence, goodwill, as well as the innate male competitiveness for access to female approval and sex. This continues to be a highly effective bait. And most men, unphased by the social, legal and financial reality around them, continue to bite.
What is also impressive is that the feminists managed to accomplish all of their goals while openly, publicly and unapologetically partitioning human males into the effectively two corrals:
1. alpha breeding stock (the men they want to and will fuck))
2. beta draft animals (the men they want to and will fleece)
Some have said this draft animal stock is 85% of all men respectively, though certainly many men do harbor both alpha and beta traits simultaneously.
But as feminists lean on and depend upon the “benevolence of men”, the source of that male deference comes almost exclusively from the corral of beta male draft animals. High numbers, high deference, low self-awareness. So it seems inexhaustible.
But is it really over longer term?
There is a lot of pressure on that male group. And dare I say some growing awareness as well, which we didn’t even observe 5 years ago. You have guys going mgtow. You have men spinning plates and dating girls non-exclusively. Even beta males are getting easier access to sex because over time girls are getting, not better, at their perceptions and judgment. Because when you face no consequences for bad sexual judgements, then there is no cause for you to hone your ability separate the wheat of men from the chaff of men. As far as access to sex goes, these days it’s a fucking turkey shoot out there. You don’t have to have a job or a nice car. You don’t have to be good looking anymore either. Average looking is now good enough for many women. That’s where we are.
I don’t know that what we are witnessing yet are significant shifts in attitudes that will amount to anything. But I also don’t know that feminists (male or female) can continue to place all of their chips on red for the benevolence of beta males in the West. With redpill awareness growing exponentially, this doesn’t seem to me to be a safe bet anymore.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter so much because the feminist checklist created a society that is economically and socially unsustainable. It will collapse under the weight of entitlements, government corruption and inefficiencies, and constant war.
The only question about benevolence that feminists need to concern themselves with is whether the new conquerors of the west will have it in any abundance? I think the answer is a decisive no.
Off Topic: Surprise!
https://popularmilitary.com/instructors-claim-first-female-enlisted-earn-ranger-tab-actually-quit-given-special-treatment/
For those who don’t know: the standard at Ranger School, the Sapper Leader Course, Special Forces Selection, etc. is that if you quit at any time, it’s recorded in your file. You don’t (normally) receive adverse action, but you’re not allowed to return to the course, and you’re not allowed to attend any other similar course either.
Course instructors are fiercely protective of the standards, so the decision must have been pushed down from above.
But wait, it gets worse.
I’m sure our enemies around the world are shaking in their boots at the thought of facing these new infantrywomen on the field of battle.
@john smith
“The social fabric is now, as it always has been and always will be, controlled by women for the benefit of women.”
NO. Just NO lol. Smh… So EFFEMINATE a statement! The social fabric of society and civilization by large always was, is and always will be CONTROLLED BY MEN. PERIOD. That’s not up for debate.
Smh at the cast of guys commenting on Bro. Dalrock’s ol’ Blog.
Y’all just WEAK, DEFEATIST MEN who don’t know how to say “NO!” and let women USE YOU.
People can only use you when you give your consent. I don’t give no one my consent without my own free will choice to do so. As the Lord Leads…
~ Bro. Jed
Opus
My sometime girlfriend accused me of being a chauvinist.
“Chauvanist”?
So she’s a
oldermore mature dame? Or is this just a pet name?I have no idea what that means but she’s a professional linguist who says she cannot get her head around French and is unable to pronounce the word bourgeois. Funny then that she should retreat to a French word and not an easy one to pronounce to accuse me of being whatever it is that a chauvinist might be. Do I look bothered?
Difficult to imagine anything that would make you look bothered, Opus.
More importantly, do you look like a French Army Marshal?
Hey Jed,
Good idea to say “No.” more often.
But understand something: We are all getting “used”, and without our consent and by threat of gunpoint and imprisonment. That’s not defeatism or male femininity. That’s fucking reality.
Rights, authority, power and privilege are no longer commensurate with responsibility and accountability, especially not legal and financial accountability between the genders.
Saying “no” doesn’t help you on this point. Even a mgtow is going to paying half of his income his entire working life to a state and federal government that hates him with malice aforethought.
You and I, and all the other dudes out there, face this same undue burden disproportionately for no other reason than for being accidentally born with testicles and a penis. The only difference is that today there is no return on investment to a man taking that burden. And no incentive either.
The extent of your masculinity, or lack thereof, is utterly irrelevant.
Men should do whatever they want. But they should know the truth and not to lie to themselves – not about the imaginary cage they think they are in, nor about the imaginary liberty and freedom they think they can and will enjoy.
But fortunately for their fears, they will never face them because the infantrywomen will have accidentally become pregnant before battle.
I’m sure our enemies around the world are shaking in their boots at the thought of facing these new infantrywomen on the field of battle.
Potential enemies already have figured out that armed combat is not the purpose of today’s U.S. military. Only the Amoricon sheeple are still unaware of that.
@anonymous reader
Let me put it this way. When I first bought a computer I wrote a small programme. There was a question ‘How old are you’ She wrote twenty-three . The computer’s response was that she was too old. She tried again and wrote twenty-two. The response was that was acceptable.
I think Heartiste would have approved.
@ SirHamster
Unexpectedly!
One of these days, a discussion of the Pussy-Pass : https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/09/07/prosecutor-driver-drove-over-year-old-woman-she-was-going-over-speed-bump/vbOeN2uLnqe1hlt3GYStZI/story.html
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Dalrock writes:
[I] I had written a post with advice to unmarried women on how to avoid the marriage crunch so many of their sisters are already experiencing. Commenter Nas questioned my loyalty as a man:
You know this one thing really bugs me about many in the manosphere, the desire and need to give females advice. What team are you playing for anyway?!
I asked Nas:
Are you angry that I’m giving women good advice, or that they won’t take it?
He responded:
– Both but especially the latter. [/i]
As I was saying to Earl elsewhere, women aren’t looking for solution but for sympathy!
Every time you give one of these postulates on feminism I can’t help but see the parallel with American whites and people of color.
Why on God’s green earth shouldn’t a man give a woman advice that steers her away from feminism?
If women were looking for the solution…they’d look in a mirror. That’s why they don’t want one.
There’s no reason NOT to…just don’t expect her to take your advice.
It’s not like we just give females advice…there’s plenty of advice being given to males too. Heck there are books in the Bible which you could say is about life advice (Proverbs, Ben Sira, Ecclesiastes, Wisdom) Often men will take the advice, try it out, see if it works, etc, then come to a conclusion. Women will just shut it down if it contradicts their emotions.
Saw this comment elsewhere…gave me a chuckle because it’s true…
‘The femnistsphere is in dire need of a new narrative. We’ve seen these headlines a million times now.
“Women finally get everything they want! Women hardest hit! Won’t someone save the women?”
Many a narcissist knows that being verbally abusive to the person that “loves” you often cause them to try harder to please you.
This works very often on a surprising amount of people.
It’s even ensconced in Game,the Neg’s.
Quite very often this will also exacerbate the borderline personality by inflicting feelings of abandonment. (No pussy for you) Is more than a transient punishment,it is a condemnation of a man’s inner being,he thus perceives himself as potentially unworthy and thus must “prove” his “love” all the harder.
Couple of problems with that,with the new enlightened male.
1.You can only use the abandonment card so many times before a person will seek stability with another.
This is often at a lesser threshold with males raised by single mothers,as shaming
(often sexual shaming) and threats of abandonment are the only methods of discipline
(punishment/= discipline-line) that mothers of bastards know how to use.
2.Threats of calling The Law. Once again,you can only threaten so many times before the man figures out that SOMEDAY you ARE going to call the pigs for any number of irrational reasons and it’s best to avoid this.
But… I will say men are often so stupid they do not believe cupcake would sic Johnny Law upon their asses,and they must learn after experiencing this State sanctioned abuse.
3.One itis. There is getting to be less and less of these as high school boys watch their classmates being traded like baseball cards.
As always Joe football got the prize Queen for demonstrating Maximum aggressiveness,the difference is these t-be men are now seeing Joe has been divorced twice and hasn’t much good to say about marriage.
That and the changing mores,often “hookups” are done by female social pressure to demonstrate value amongst the female herd. (Ability to manipulate men)
Some would-be alphas are arranging hook-ups by cellphone text and the sex occurs wherever adult oversight is Not.
Speaking of technology,this has increased the narcissistic tenancies of the female, she has her Mobile Affirmation Device that will deliver any amount of male attention instantly without any effort at all,maybe a selfie at best.
Coupled with modern day consumerist society it is no wonder female learn and use the full spectrum of narcissistic social weaponry.
It starts with “Daddy must buy Pwincess the $200 name-brand jeans” because pwincess needs this to compete in the sexual manipulation games with her hookup culture friends.
Daddy is thus reduced to a wallet, and he’s “Abusive” if he cannot afford all the best for baby.
Mommy tells pwincess that all the time, what an asshole daddy is,her new boyfriend buys stuff for her all the time,and when he stops mommy will find another “man.”
By that time Pwincess has had an abortion and car accident and is in drug-seeking mode full time,she’s not only fucked dozens of men for sport,she’s learned how to maximize her cashflow situation. (Shake that money-maker,baby)
The young boys these days,they see and learn,they will are doing and will do what men have always done: Improvise and adapt.
Now for a personal anecdote:
Some 15 years ago I was friend zoned by this woman I was attracted to.
She played me well and also sexed bad boys in front in me.
I used to work for Uhaul,so I know something about moving.
She was talking about how she got an estimate of $1000 to move two sofas and a couple of antique dressers across town,roughly 7 miles.
While I could have done that job for nothing, I instead agreed that it was best to go with a bonded and insured company.
It was the same with her roofing,when she asked me for help,I did not call back.
Months later I heard she paid $12,000 for a roof that could have been done at half that price by a licensed contractor.
There is also the issue of- that she is impossible to work for.
Each contractor can look forward to being berated for months for some imagined injury.
Now to speak of the final abandonment:
Take the case of my own narcissistic mother.
She begs and pleads to get one close so she can inflict injury.
(Love will heal,God will move the soul) PUKE
Her only means of pleasure in life is to provoke righteous indignation then fan the flames of that into a fury of anger,then play victim.
She often accuses of “not feeling safe,” Threatens to call the cops and inflict PIG-TRAUMA
by means of confabulated violence or theft charges.
All the while begging for a visit,call friends,neighbors,landlords,maintenance men, anyone at all, to “Persuade her sons to visit and take care of their dying elderly mother.”
“It will be a miracle,GOD will work in your life to being you to me so I can infuriate you will false accusations and make your life as miserable as mine.”
Finally after a half century of abuse,her has run out of chances beyond chances she deserved.
Neither son will visit,and we both want her to die ASAP so the unwanted harassment will stop
She bought the feminist lie in the 70’s and hated her sons her entire life.
She wanted daughters. Instead she gave birth to “Two penises.”
(Her words)
I really do wish there WAS a God and thus a Hell for her to burn in for eternity for the life-long pain and anguish she has caused me fore her own personal amusement.
My supply of Good Will was exhausted fifteen years ago,yet while my father was alive I had to make decent to have access to him.
In the end he had no mind of his own,he was her puppet,and she despised him for it.
Now just where TF is Dr.Helen on such a lead in article?
Do you think I would trust her with “Helping” my psychological worldview?
Hell no would be your answer, to ANY woman.
My doctor is male,the last doctor may have been better,but she still thought and acted like a Woman First Doctor second, and there is a war on out there.
Wake up and quit giving comfort and aid to the Enemy,that is my advice for young men.,
Do Not Marry
@Opus said: … to accuse me of being whatever it is that a chauvinist might be.
Chauvinism is a form of extreme patriotism and a belief in national superiority and glory. … This French quality finds its parallel in the British term jingoism, which has retained the meaning of chauvinism strictly in its original sense; that is, an attitude of belligerent nationalism. Wikipedia
… exaggerated or aggressive patriotism Oxford Dictionary
Therefore, male chauvinism would be a man’s exaggerated or aggressive belief in his own cause.
Sort of seems like an appropriate approach to life for a man, to increase the likelihood of his own survival.
Earl, that funny video was gold!
@john smith says:
For feminism to work, and feminists know this, men could not change.
_____________
In other words, they assumed men living in their new matriarchal hypergamous society would continue behaving as though they were living in a patriarchal monogamous one.
It goes back to something I have long said… the two biggest lies the devil tells people are “now” and “later.” He tells them to do their career now, and have a family later. He tells them to indulge in sex now, and find a husband later.
You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh, though this actually IS sad.
Saddest bits
“Sex makes me feel unsafe, not because of the act itself but because my partners so often disappear afterward, whether I waited hours or months before the first time.”
“At first I couldn’t believe he didn’t answer, and then I was devastated. My roommates didn’t understand why I was so much more hurt than usual.”
@Hugh Mann – I read the article and then clicked on the author’s link. Assuming it is true (always a dangerous thing to do with a female) she has a degree from Harvard Divinity School. What! A Tinder whore with a religious streak? And she fucks dudes from Tinder regularly?
Also, she is 30 yo and has roommates. Where are the roommates when she is having sex with a guy she met on Tinder and had known for 30 minutes? Probably doing the same thing.
You add all this up and you get a whore house populated with whores who can’t seem to understand they are whores. And then this train wreck of a human being writes about how people should be more caring towards one another! She, and her circle of female friends, don’t even care about themselves so why should they expect others to?
21st century female behavior and victimhood thinking (feeling) on public display. I predict lots of cats in her future. Thanks for the link. Cheers.
In the UK “roommates” are people you share a room with, but I think in the US it just means people you share an apartment with. I don’t think she’s doing the deed “before all the city”.
It looks as if sex isn’t her primary motivation, given that the periods between meeting and copulating vary from minutes to months. Someone should have told her that Tinder isn’t perhaps the best place to find a long-term partner.
(Of course, the devastation may be just in the thought ‘Am I not a good enough lay?’ But I think she’s looking for Mr Right in the place where Mr Right Now lives. In time she’ll be looking for Mr Barely-Acceptable – then resenting him.)
If a person can’t figure out on his/her own that Tinder is a terrible place to find a long-term partner, that person is clearly mentally incompetent, and should not be allowed to make his/her own decisions.
If a person can’t figure out on his/her own that Tinder is a terrible place to find a long-term partner, that person is clearly mentally incompetent, and should not be allowed to make his/her own decisions.
Again, at some point it will again become obvious to all of mankind that allowing women to live independently of male control has been a civilization-destroying catastrophe. Unfortunately, this realization will come far too late to reverse the damage already done and will also lack the collective will to do anything.
Anon is always telling us that Feminism has revealed and in ways not previously obvious the limitations of the female sex. One way he has not yet mentioned is comedy. Bill Burr above is being economic with the truth even as he makes his interrogator look stupid. Women just are not funny, and to laugh at a woman would be to trigger the white-knighting instincts of most men. Can you name one woman who you find funny? There are some whom one might warm to (Lucille Ball) or whom one might find cute (Barbara Windsor) but that is as far as it goes (and neither Ball or Windsor were stand-up comedians) and can go for the one subject of male humour is the difficulties of life as a male. We cannot complain (far too ghey) but we can mock ourselves and our failures. Female humour such as it is is now so far as I can observe resolving from its harridans into man-bashing finger-wagging. Consider this clip (with added racism):
Dire Dire Dire
Oh, I have mentioned comedy many times.
Comedy, like Chess, is an activity with zero barrier to entry, and where, in theory, women can assist other women to succeed, without any male help whatsoever.
Yet, women represent under 2% of the top people in either of these endeavors. The excuses women use are epic.
feeriker,
Again, at some point it will again become obvious to all of mankind that allowing women to live independently of male control has been a civilization-destroying catastrophe.
Even that is being generous.
The correlation between what women favor and what moves civilization forward is so precisely inverted as to be uncanny. The more something moves civilization forward, the more women oppose it.
The good news, gentlemen, is when you say NO to all this nonsense then women assume you’re an alpha with higher social value and kind of dangerous/reckless, and attraction increases.
Want to know why divorce risk goes up everytime a woman has another non-marital partner? There it is.
Also you’d think after perhaps the 3rd time she’d see a pattern…yeah I know I’m talking about a woman here…but still.
Anyone else see this? TFM is interpreting it as needing consent to ghost or breakup after the fact. Basically ignore rape. I don’t quite see it but if so, this will definitely exhaust the goodwill.
That’s assuming they are looking for a long-term partner. In reality it could be she knows it’s for hooking up but wants to garner slut sympathy from the herd because of those nasty men just ghosting after casual sex.
I’m not even on Tinder and I know what it’s for. The plausible deniability game women play is fast becoming not an excuse to me anymore.
Humble hermit has a good one.
Oops. Late to the party.
LOL…I like how wimminz can actually speak something close to the truth when it’s not them doing the actions.
Oh shiv!
For example: monogamous marriage until death and abortion.
Sex is a sacred act… and only husbands should be deprived of it.
If you really want to annoy a woman who has a problem, all you have to do is say: “What you need to do is …”
If you really want to annoy a woman who has a problem, all you have to do is say: “What you need to do is …”
Of course. That epic video about ‘the nail’ is another example of this.
Remember, this is one of the many reasons Artificial Intelligence will be catastrophic for women outside of those under tight male headship. AI just ruthlessly gives answers and executes decisions.
‘The Dangers of Tech Bro AI’
Quote from Twat :
“I don’t have a dystopian view of AI. I don’t see killer robots. I’m so much more focused on the narrow applications, and I think that if you look at every single one of those narrow applications there is a chance that it negatively affects women. I don’t think artificial intelligence is the issue here; it’s the additional issue rather than the cause. We’re talking about the risk that our unconscious sexism or unconscious racism seep into the machines that we’re building.”
I am not convinced that there is much truth in the NYT article – the woman has multiple degrees in creative writing – but even so: it reminds me of the old action now abolished for breach of contract. An engagement ring meant that a wedding would occur and used to be sufficient for women to allow men to have sexual intercourse, but should the man subsequently ‘ghost’ he was in danger of being a defendant in a civil action. My Father used to tell the story of an acquaintance of his who was sued for dumping his fiancee and ordered to pay considerable damages to the unhappy woman. On receiving sympathy from my father his friend’s response was that ‘it was cheap at the price’. Prostitutes always demand payment up-front because they know that post-coitus the John will think it not to have been worth the fee.
The solution is of course per marital chastity followed by young marriage. Women find being dumped particularly hard to take – I mean – when they think they have convinced themselves that they are aisle-bound.
Tangential to OP:
“The Patriarchy Stole My Championship!”
Frank K,
If you really want to annoy a woman who has a problem, all you have to do is say: “What you need to do is …”
Actually, this is more brilliant than you may realize, as it is an amazing way to get a bitchy woman at work to behave in a way that gets her terminated, yet what the man did will not be detected by anyone.
Don’t do it to non-problematic women, of course. But it is a superb way to get back at someone who is already problematic, in a way that grates on her, but is completely within the approved code of behavior in the workplace. It can even be done in the presence of others, so no one will think you did anything wrong, and the ‘he said, she said’ trap does not ensnare the man.
It was also the Patriarchy’s fault she smashed her racket. After feminism never hold any woman accountable for any of her actions…like emotional meltdowns.
The Rules:
1. Women cannot do evil.
2. If a woman does evil, it was a man’s fault.
ray says:
September 8, 2018 at 5:26 pm
I’m only surprised that she didn’t also play the “race card.”
feeriker sez .. I’m only surprised that she didn’t also play the “race card.”
True .. but .. she has been in the middle of a heated debate about equal pay with the men of tennis. So, she’s stuck in the “it must be because we’re wimminz” tragedy.
Secondly .. another reason not to play the gender card is .. TH WIMMINZ are the majority .. not a minority ..
I have zero inside knowledge .. just going off recent history. (Long ago history had a fixed match against Billy King and some simp.)
Oh .. and the judge of the match is a minority .. so to speak .. Mr Carlos Ramos .. he looks hispanic.
PokeSalad said on September 8, 2018 at 7:18 pm
The Rules:
1. Women cannot do evil.
2. If a woman does evil, it was a man’s fault
Yep to #2 ..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6127553/amp/Reported-Missing-Man-discovers-son-never-existed-ex-conned-thousands.html
Even in the comments wimminz take up for her by saying he shouldn’t have dumped her after she (falsely) claimed she was preggers.
Off Topic: How to break up with a lawyer chick without getting sued(?)
http://theothermccain.com/2018/09/07/exit-strategy-did-this-guy-red-pill-his-way-out-of-a-doomed-relationship/
Maybe this guy’s clueless…
…. or maybe he knows exactly what he’s doing.
What say the cognoscenti?
If you want to see feminism in action (and how it ruins)…
@Trust
The devil tempts with irresponsible sex out of wedlock. Its no problem to indulge within wedlock.
Off Topic: Walking train wreck confirms every Androsphere trope simultaneously.
http://theothermccain.com/2018/09/08/the-sad-lesson-of-a-former-fame-whore-or-why-slut-shaming-is-a-good-thing/
In her youth, this chick “dated” med students, congressmen, tech entrepreneurs… she even “dated” the late John McCain’s son. Take a wild guess at what she’s doing now (37).
Here, here! At some point people need to get that promiscuity = sexual sins…it’s not sexual liberation. Not only does it ruin a person physically and emotionally…it ruins thems spiritually as well.
Women would do well to start making marriage their goal early in life rather than fornicating with chads to up their social media cred & hypergamy. Nobody will care once 37 hits.
yeah exactly earl there it is
This is the spiritual fruit of forty years of pandering to Almighty Women and the rest of Team Identity. Pouring out privilege, unearned status and endless empowerments on them, awarding supposedly ‘equal’ females a separate justice system, and etc. results in Serena Williams. In a ballerina costume no less dear Merciful Jesus please come and save me pretty quick!
Her tennis coach is caught out cheating and she expects automatic exoneration because female, because black. In this singular and rare case, she is held to ACTUAL EQUITY because its a national championship and a zillion effing people are watching.
Predictably, she doesn’t just melt down, she melts down tre specific as in You held me to justice so you’re a sexist because man. What’s next, Everybody’s Against Me and You’ll Be Found?
If somebody has a God anything like mine fetch it out because I’m not waiting. It is a fine cool evening to relax in the chair on my patio while God delivers enemies into my hand. Even before my eyes. Dear Papa thanks for this one p.s. loved the ‘Serena’ name, it’s so comically appropriate. You really got us there!
Oh but she has a daughter so she would never cheat. Being a mother means she’s above those silly tactics. Blame men!
I think I heard the commenters pointing out that usually men settle down their emotions after the ref gives them a warning because they know what strike 2 and strike 3 means. She just couldn’t let it go because of her feelz and she shouldn’t be punished for her actions…men are just as evil so why punish me?
Broke her racket, called the guy a thief (while demanding an apology LOL…did she think emasculating him was somehow going to help her win) penalties were given…she lost. Will she learn anything from it…doubtful.
Putting aside the fact that Serena Williams looks too much like a man to play the ‘feminism’ card…
A black woman loses to a half-black woman, and blames ‘the Patriarchy’?
How about we remind her that, in the estimation of Jon McEnroe, the top female player (which Serena no longer is) is only on par with the #700 man, even though most male players ranked below 200 or so are not even pursuing tennis full time since they can’t earn a living from it?
The truth is Serena would lose even to a 55 y/o former top male of today (like McEnroe, Lendl, or Edberg) if the two squared off today.
In short, if women’s tennis can be marketed (against market demand), Masters Tennis should be a category of tennis (like an over-45 division of former greats).
I applaud the ref actually upholding the rules of the game while she was trying every female tactic in the book…although I imagine something bad will happen to him because he upheld the rules of the game and produced bad feelz in a woman. We can’t ever have that happen.
Ray sez .. unearned status ..
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/09/03/are-gender-quotas-good-for-business
It’ll be manadatory that 40% of board rooms, by 2021, be filled by da wimminz in Cali-fornication.
The bill was sponsored and championed by .. hold your breath .. a womminz.
Earl sez .. Will she learn anything from it…doubtful.
As previously mentioned ..
“Men learn from their mistakes .. Wimminz double down on theirs.”
It seems like Serena’s opponent was doing just fine beating her on the court…however when Serena decided to go into meltdown mode, if I was the opponent I’d remember this quote.
‘Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself’
Earl ..
I’ve always found if your opponent is drowning to shove a firehose down their throat open to 100% .. \0/ (winning)
although I imagine something bad will happen to him because he upheld the rules of the game and produced bad feelz in a woman. We can’t ever have that happen.
Oh, she even threatened him; saying “You will never appear in any of my games again, as long as you live!”. Putting aside how she is near retirement anyway, whereas he can work until 70, the sheer power trip is insane. Since when does a player have the right to dictate terms like this? Only under ‘feminism’.
Hey earl did she mention she has a little daughter? About the stresses and strains of motherhood and how she’s had to sacrifice everyth. . . yadda gooble blah.
Earl excuse me but had you heard about Mama Serena’s baby daughter lately? And if this doesn’t suffice she knows some other sympathy triggers to push.
I’m pretty sure she’s right actually, very probably men ARE conspiring against her, to place unfair and sexist barriers between her and her manifest fabulousness. And if they’re not conspiring already, well, she’s seen to it they are now.
what a lovely and satisfactory evening.
https://herviewfromhome.com/stop-being-a-butthole-wife/
Only in death does a widow find her faults. Too late, but thank you female church leadership for eradicating what helpmate actually meant.
See Serena Williams’s website: https://www.serenawilliams.com/
She’s selling clothes — a Goddess Dress. Scroll down. It says in bold letters: Meet the Goddess Dress.
Black women aren’t content to be called Queens. Now they insist on being recognized as Goddesses. Their previously implicit demands have become explicit.
I don’t think this mindset is reserved for just black women…it seems to be ALL women in general these days.
Her scapegoat to blame all her problems on died.
She should have just married herself then. But then who could she blame for all her shortcomings?
Wimminz are concerned about idolatry when it comes to submitting to their husbands but are perfectly ok thinking they are Goddesses.
Wanna see a delusion? They obviously want all the men to be Shallow Hal. Talk about inexhaustible. http://www.bostonherald.com/lifestyle/style_fashion/2018/09/women_celebrate_size_inclusivity_at_alternative_fashion_week
Dalrock could write more replies to the straight lines in that article than Don Rickles, I bet.
RP latecomer,
Yes, that and Ariana Grande’s new “God is a woman” song – it’s good business to openly celebrate our new Matriarchal religion. Which, by the way, apparently Ariana was such a God to her last bf that she drove him to suicide this week.
Let’s not forget that women are treated like Godesses and Queens in the internship and entry level job market. All the white girls seem to take up the “white person” spots, so the dwindling openings in internships after the diversity students and white girls go are extremely limited. I have yet to meet a white guy in my class who got an internship without some form of nepotism. Apparently, the old boys network, is the only way to secure an internship as a white male on a college campus.
I’m starting to feel like I may have a bit of latino heritage in me after learning that student members of ALPFA, are rocketed to second round interviews at big 4 accounting firms. Let me tell you, it’s a bloodbath for white guys in the entry level job and internship market. You better have a dad or an uncle or a powerful family friend who can get you in, because your chances are zilth without it.
So of course, the white girls wonder why they can’t find that many equals. Well, honey, you took my internship. I guess I can be a stay at home dad, though…
toocrazy2yoo,
At Curvy Con, they’re not walking the catwalk, they’re rolling out the alternative fashions.
Like recyclable clothes: When the dress no longer fits, just add some poles and that dress becomes a mess tent so you can keep eating in it.
Do they open the show to AC/DC’s “Fat Bottomed Girls”?
Suddenly I’m recalling how good periodic fasting is for a body.
That little Japanese looks cute. Konichiwa and Hyogazai. I always think that as the women’s champions are paid the same as the men’s champions then given their comparative uselessness at the game of Tennis that they must be being paid for something other than their ability with a racket. Let me put it this way: were they forbidden from wearing those micro-pelmets but had to wear baggy trousers and also say a Burkha or Hijab no one would ever even both paying the entrance fee. Williams has to be about the least hot Tennis player ever (unless you like the King Kong look). That Anna Kornikova – she was what I might pay to watch. I once saw your Billy Jean King at Wimbledon: not hot.
I got to see my sons today with my divorcing wife “supervising” us. As I was driving them back to their apartment the 12 year old used the F-word with his 10 year old brother in the back seats. I had to ask their mother to discipline him. She didn’t even seem upset that it happened, but she seemed upset that it happened in front of me, and that I was asking her to do something about it. She replied that he was too old for spanking, but that she might take away some of his videogame time when they got home. It is so sad to see her slowly guiding them towards becoming foul and immoral like her entire family. I never said the F-word in front of my parents as long as they lived.
@info says:
The devil tempts with irresponsible sex out of wedlock. Its no problem to indulge within wedlock.
_________
Precisely. My comment was a play on how backwards the modern portrayal is. Freely give men sex, unless they are dependable husbands, is the modern strategy.
The devil tells them now outside marriage and later inside marriage.
Feminism is ironically founded on an unshakable faith in the benevolence of men….
I don’t want to say that the female mind is flawed, because that would be disrespectful to God as the Creator. But I have observed something I can’t explain.
Women generally seem to lack the ability to see the consequences of their actions. I once read the response of a woman who committed adultery against her husband (no, “cheating” is a euphemism; “adultery” is the right term). She said she was absolutely surprised to see how much pain her actions had caused him and their kids. From all indications, she meant what she said. She never envisaged that her marital unfaithfulness would cause her husband and family a lot of pain. How could she not?
Then, there have been video clips of an 80-pound woman mouthing off on a 250-pound guy who could easily break her in two. In some cases, these women even initiated fights with these burly men, and ended up getting the daylight smacked out of them in no time. Now, the real question is, how could these women not know that when you challenge a guy that can easily beat you up, he will easily beat you up? Virtually every guy knows this.
So, I think there is something fundamentally wrong with the way women perceive the relationships between their actions, and the results that they get.
When the founders of feminism began their quest to undermine the male-female relationship, they obviously never considered the effects that their ill advised actions would have on the men, and what the latter’s subsequent responses would be. They clearly had a one track mind to get all that they want, while the men continue to pretend that nothing has changed.
Does anyone see a similarity between feminism and socialism? The socialist would tax the hard working guys to the wazoo (Bernie Sanders doesn’t think a 90% tax rate was too high, for example), while expecting them to keep working and making money as if nothing had changed.
Current “feminism” is less about actualizing yourself as a woman, and more about remaining infantile and finding a group to simultaneously blame and to protect you. Children are excellent at playing this game, and if I could pinpoint when and why children stopped maturing, perhaps something could be done. Arguing with a child is likewise an exercise in futility.
@Dave The women you describe are like children, unthinking and uncaring of the consequences of their actions. As to why, the immaturity seems endemic in the west. In males, I generally see it males when acquaintances blame others for their criminal choices (i.e. the cops profiled me when he stopped me for rolling smoking a pound of weed) and females for their sexual choices (I didn’t think I would get pregnant! It was an accident!). Root cause, unknown. Syndrome deeply entrenched.
Will there be law about dinner whores too?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-guadalupe-gonzales-pleads-not-guilty-dine-and-dash-dating-allegations-2018-09-08/
@Dave says:
Does anyone see a similarity between feminism and socialism?
__________
Definitely.
Another commonality is they both villainize those they depend on.
When is the last time you heard someone on government assistance express gratitude to those who make it possible by paying extremely high taxes?
When is the last time you heard a feminist say “you know, we expressed our concerns about abuse and abandonment, and men listened. They have forfeited their constitutional rights to due process, continuing supporting us even after our marriage ends, have made us feel so safe that we confidently assault men twice our size… and they are still the last on the life boats when the ship is sinking. Thank you men!”
Dependency does not produce a better society, it produces an ungrateful one.
@Trust
There was a old joke that talks about how the best way to make an Irishwoman celibate is to marry her.
So this evil goes a way back. People too often forget that Chastity is as much sexuality as portrayed in the Song of Solomon within Wedlock as virginity outside of it.
@Dave
”Women generally seem to lack the ability to see the consequences of their actions. ”
it is not coincidence that God made humans a Patriarchal race in order to reflect his image. Hence those features shouldn’t be surprising. Men have strengths that women don’t. And vice versa. Women are dependent on men for one of those reasons. And vice versa. Each strength complements the other’s weakness.
There are Matriarchal species in the Animal Kingdom that the females are quite like the males of our species like Hyenas.
Dave,
Does anyone see a similarity between feminism and socialism?
What type of question is this? Are you new to the androsphere?
They are almost exactly the same thing. In fact, ‘feminism’ is the wrapper that makes cuckservatives gleeful supporters of socialism, as cuckservatives love forced wealth transfer as long as the payers are men and recipients are women. If you ever wondered what it would take for cuckservatives to get excited about a 90% tax rate, this is the format they would love.
@ Sharkly
“Do they open the show to AC/DC’s ‘Fat Bottomed Girls’?”
That’s Queen, actually. And the girl on the album cover is too “skinny” for “Curvy Con”.
By the way; am I the only man irritated by women’s redefinition of “curvy” to mean “obese”?
Let’s see if the album cover posts this time.
Off Topic: There are women who withhold sex, and then there’s this crazy broad.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/09/woman-stabbed-naked-boyfriend-in-bed-when-he-said-no-to-sex-7927914/
@Dalrock
This is a good actual example of the five minutes of Alpha effect, this is why men should be very careful about vetting women correctly for marriage.
“Two years ago, I had a one-night stand with a guy I met on a trip to the city. Although I had only met him that night, I felt an immeasurable connection to him and although it isn’t something I’d usually do, we spent the night together. It was one of the most special nights of my life, but because I was staying in a shared hostel room it had to be cut short much sooner that I hoped. I didn’t get his phone number or last name.
It has been two years but I cannot stop thinking about him. I don’t know how to get over him.
Sometimes when I’m walking around Dublin I think I see him in the distance, only to snap back to reality with disappointment. I don’t know how I can find him, so I think I need to finally get over him because I feel until I do I will not be able to get close to any other man. I’m desperate for help.”
https://www.independent.ie/style/sex-relationships/dear-mary-i-cant-get-over-the-onenight-stand-i-had-two-years-ago-37271252.html
How messed up is that. For all the protestations about how they want gentlemen who give them unconditional total commitment, women seem to get the most pleasure from men who are unavailable.
“Black women aren’t content to be called Queens. Now they insist on being recognized as Goddesses.”
Goddess worshipping a woman as the Queen of Heaven has a long history
Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.”
RPL — “She’s selling clothes — a Goddess Dress. Scroll down. It says in bold letters: Meet the Goddess Dress.”
Gosh, who ever could have guessed? :O)
A woman rides the beest, and I’ve talked herein before about the New Woman Order/Goddess element as central in end-times events.
When you’ve got a few hundred million of these self-deifying females like Serena across the West, and they are organized to the teeth, and their culture’s like TOTALLY back them, that’s a huge and eventually mortal problem. Especially in America, this female cohort or mass is deeply intertwined with finance/corporate interests and welfares. To say nothing of outright government control, intel and vast bureaucracies. Raw power.
These gleeful rebel types only respond to force and authority, never to bribes or reason or love, and until then, they’re in constant rebellion to destroy fatherhood and all aspects of God’s created order. Thus Serena et al. know only attack, attack, attack. Never any admission of error or humility.
Behold! Serena, the Woman’s Champion!
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/09/09/serena-williams-im-here-fighting-for-womens-rights/
Pius XII in his “To the Queen of Heaven”:
“He, the Son of God, reflects on His heavenly Mother the glory, the majesty and the dominion of His kingship, for, having been associated to the King of Martyrs in the … work of human Redemption as Mother and cooperator, she remains forever associated to Him, with a practically unlimited power, in the distribution of the graces which flow from the Redemption. Jesus is King throughout all eternity by nature and by right of conquest: through Him, with Him, and subordinate to Him, Mary is Queen by grace, by divine relationship, by right of conquest, and by singular choice [of the Father].”
John Damascene:
“When she became Mother of the Creator, she truly became Queen of every creature.”
Logically it seems hard to blame sexism when your opponent is also a woman, but I see Serena has made an attempt at it. What is the argument? That the male referee is unfairly biased towards Naomi because she’s younger and more nubile? (even though she legitimately outplayed Serena) Or that the male referee is unfairly holding Serena’s displays of emotion against her? (even though any male player who acted the same would also have been similarly penalized)
Nonsense and nonsense. I understand that she’s unhappy about reaching the end of her honestly remarkable career after having devoted her entire life to the sport, but still its probably time she retired gracefully.
Oscar says:
September 9, 2018 at 2:00 pm
Off Topic: There are women who withhold sex, and then there’s this crazy broad.
Oscar: women who withold sex do it (stonewalling) for power moves. If the man awlks away, disengage, basically if her behavior backfires on her, she hates it because she loses control!
Mt 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Yes it’s about the weaker vessels tearing down the stronger ones with the weak thinking they’ll be somehow ’empowered’ by it but in reality it means most (except for the top let’s say 10%) will be bankrupt (men & women).
Also sex has now become a communal thing rather than to be kept in marriage to your lawful spouse…much like goods become a communal thing.
@ Paul…
Are you trying to say with an OT saying about the ‘queen of heaven’ goddess worship which was from a pagan Baal religion and then this from Pius XII
is goddess worship of Mary?
Because if so let me remind you…every title of Mary bestowed upon her is always in correlation to Jesus. It’s never of her own accord.
Off Topic: How to break up with a lawyer chick without getting sued(?)
I’ve always wondered: what kind of an idiot who isn’t a lawyer dates or marries one?
Take a wild guess at what she’s doing now (37).
https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.mXYtm5nGGBfqbtxsVig7GQHaEc%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
I’m not the sharpest shard of glass in this broken window…but that looks like the type of woman who would go stabby if she didn’t get sex. Frankly because it should be almost nonexistent for her if not for thristy men.
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/sei_28727161-d797.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C674
Trust me, I’ve worked with a lot of younger men. Men’s good will is not exhaustible in the least, at least not with GenZ or the non cuck millenials. In fact what I am seeing is an explosion in the confirmed bachelor lifestyle among these two generations of men. None of them want to get married, and a lot of them don’t want anything to do with women in general. Nearly every young man I speak with on the subject has parroted the same thing “Women don’t love men, they are biologically incapable of loving men due to their reproductive nature.” Or something like that. They often tell me that because of this biological fact, marriage is nothing more than a business contract where a man has all the responsibility and no agency or authority, and thus marriage is nothing more than a contract of self enslavement. They have seen their grandfathers, fathers, uncles, brothers, friends completely destroyed in divorce and are refusing to put themselves at risk. While I understand their position completely, and can’t say I blame them, I recognize that this is what will finally sink the west.
Correction to above post line 2
*inexhuastible
The very nature of feminism and unjust laws can’t be ignored by men forever. I mean how many stories is it going to take for us to read, or experiences we’ve seen with our own two eyes…to get what a raw deal it is.
And just my personal take…while I know being married to a God fearing woman and having a family with her would certainly be spiritually healthy for me(us)…there’s also a huge risk marrying an evil woman (even a Christian) for my soul to fall away from God and possibly my kids too. It can’t be ignored because my relationship with God and being in a state of grace IS the most important one regardless if I get married or not.
Men’s benevolence is certainly the inexhaustible resource feminism leans on. It is why shaming works, why men will bend over backwards to prove to women that ”they aren’t like other men”, and why they will make allowances for women in difficult circumstances.
I think statistically, the benevolence is eroding.
This is the post-feminist age. Women have dismantled Patriarchy.That for them is perceived as good, but in reality it’s a disaster, because it exposes their inadequacies and incompetence. The current crop of boys raised by feminist mothers have seen the fathers, uncles, brothers etc divorced, fleeced, alienated and destroyed. They might – as I did – go looking for answers on the Net themselves and come across the Manosphere and the Red Pill.
Every time a woman behaves like a bitch, it erodes a man’s good will a bit. Every time he sees his girlfriend or even his sister behave badly toward his friends, he sees his mother or aunt acting that way toward his father or uncle. Every time he hears his teachers talk about female empowerment, he will ask what is in it for him. Every time special dispensations are given to women at his expense, he will resent it that little bit.
The trick is to minimize your contribution. Minimize the amount of help you give women. Minimize your taxes where legally possible. Minimize your contribution to female-run institutions. As one man I saw, listening to a woman complaining about ”rape culture”, said, “My contribution to ”rape culture” is zero, since I haven’t raped anybody. If you don’t like the culture, don’t expose yourself to it. Simple”
With that, he left, leaving behind a furor. All men should follow that example. Women can yell and scream all they like. If there are no men there to listen to them, they can’t be blamed.
Really more than the good will of men to keep feminism going…women need men to keep feminism going so that they can blame them for all the bad choices they themselves are perpetuating.
Off Topic
So… “unhealthy lifestyles put four in five adults at risk of early death”, but, simultaneously, we need to fight “fatphobia”.
Way to violate the most basic law of logic, Guardian!
@ earl
As one of my NCOs used to say, I wouldn’t f**k her with your d**k!
@ feeriker
Being married to a chick who argues for a living sounds like a nightmare.
Well we can’t hurt wimminz feelz despite the fact their actual choices are killing them. That’s feminist logic.
Try being married to a woman project manager. The lists never end. It’s enough to burn the benevolence towards the feminine right out of you.
Honestly, if I see a woman in some kind of distress, I gives me real pleasure to do….nothing.
“Misogynists are not born they are made.”
When the dress no longer fits, just add some poles and that dress becomes a mess tent so you can keep eating in it.
Dayammmmmmm… Brutal. And also pure-gold hilarious.
ROTFLMFAO!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😄😄😄😄😄😄
Being married to a chick who argues for a living sounds like a nightmare.
A non-lawyer man paring up with a female lawyer is akin to a mouse paring up with a rattlesnake or a deer with a wolf.
Try being married to a woman project manager. The lists never end. It’s enough to burn the benevolence towards the feminine right out of you.
My wife keeps bragging about her niece who just graduated university (in her native South America) with a degree in electrical engineering and the marvelous career she has ahead of her. My response: I hope she’s planning for a solitary future full of cats, wine, and head-meds, because 1) no man worth having gives a shit about her professional or academic achievements, nor wants to live with a woman whose life centers on those things; and 2) America already has a glut of native-born careerist twats (she’s found a job in Chicago [poor broad!] and is moving there in the Spring) and doesn’t need to import any. Also, if she decides to troll for any American peter, the first thing she’ll encounter is resentment for stealing a job from them.
“Misogynists are not born they are made.”
I’m not only going to steal the hell out of that, I might even have it made into a t-shirt, a poster, and a bumpersticker.
@Oscar,
That’s Queen, actually.
Sorry, My bad. I guess I’m not adequately versed in music that celebrates fat women. I should have googled it before I posted that, but I see enough “fat Bottomed girls” without researching them further. When I married my wife, she had no butt. Thirty five pounds later, her butt is normal. I must have been planning ahead. LOL Fortunately my sons seem to have inherited my meaty booty.
By the way; am I the only man irritated by women’s redefinition of “curvy” to mean “obese”?
Yeah, I think that is stupid too. If a woman standing up straight has a roll of fat that rests upon another roll of fat, that ain’t a curve, it is a damn overlap! Almost all the folds in her skin should be unfolded when she is standing. I’ll make exception for the fold under large breasts.
I don’t know too many scriptures about that, but here is what I can share off the top of my head:
1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
Proverbs 5:19 As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love.
It’s actually pretty easy to do so…as long as they don’t ask you for help and it’s not a life threatening situation there isn’t some unwritten law that states you should just knight up and rescue a damsel stranger in distress. Even if they ask you for help (like moving their furniture into their house so her white knight dad Joe doesn’t have to do it) you can still say no. And since they are strong, independent, and hate men…they often won’t ask for your help.
It reminds me of the Carlin bit about soft language…they think changing the name will change the condition.
She’s still obese, fat, tubby, a lardo, a walking diabetus risk or whatever else you want to call it. Curvy, she’s not.
@Vektor
Try being married to a woman project manager. The lists never end.
At one point my wife had me hang up a whiteboard in the kitchen. One day she wrote a numbered list of things for me to do down one side of the whiteboard. Upon seeing this I drew a line down the middle and wrote a numbered list of things I wanted for her to get done. As I did the things on her list I drew a line through them. Within a couple of weeks I had her entire list lined out. She only accomplished a couple of the things on my list, and lined them out. My finished list and her unfinished list stayed up there for almost a year, and was seen by all our guests that came to our house. One day that whiteboard “got broken”, and she threw it away. She replaced it with a much smaller whiteboard that didn’t have room for lists. YMMV
I can’t believe you got that far. Knowing women (particularly feminist women) as well as I do, the kind of reaction I would have expected from your wife when you started writing the first thing on your list is…. “um, why can’t YOU do that yourself?” That would have been a rational, feminist reaction to your list in response to HER list.
I love how Vektor dealt with her agressivity…
@earl
There is a strong connection to the Queen of Heaven in the desire to venerate/worship mortal Mary, with a very thin line between her effectively being exalted to a goddess. Even though by official RCC dogma she is not a goddess, she has been practically exalted above any other human even above the apostles to such a degree that in folk religion she is practically more important than Jesus, and I’ve not seen much pushback against that by the RCC. The RCC struggles with certain factions that want to exalt her even more. In most imagery of Mary with child she is effectively depicted as being superior as being the mother of a little child, clearly having more power and importance than such a small and powerless child. Her bestowed title Queen of Heaven is only marginally connected to Jesus as King, as a role of Queen mother of the King. There again much imagery is then effectively decoupled from worship of King Jesus and focusses solely on the Queen of Heaven, with Jesus not even present in the picture.
Next to the imagery of Queen of Heaven, Mary is also idealized/idolized as perfect Mother and perfect Woman. And I’ve literally heard people say when referring that we need to believe in God the Father, that just as we all have a father and a mother, that “God is our Father, but Mary is our Mother”. That comes awfully close to her being put into the position of goddess. It’s almost as if she has never been a sinner in need of redemption just as the rest of humanity.
Compare that to the very words of Jesus. There is not even a hint of any exalted position of Mary, on the contrary, He denies any special spiritual significance to the relationship He has to His physical brothers and physical mother.
Similarly, you will not find a SINGLE mention of Mary in any theological significance in any of the letters of the New Testament. Galatians even has: “But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.” At this very spot St. Paul would have had any opportunity to make any additional comment on the theological significance of Mary “our mother”, instead he only calls the heavenly Jerusalem our mother.
Any title bestowed upon Mary was not bestowed upon her by Jesus nor by any of the writers of the NT, nor has any explicit theological significance been attributed to Mary by the writers of the letters. If you compare that to the current significance of Mary in RCC theology created by male theologians, as well as to the forces that want to exalt her even more, the difference is huge.
I cannot help but wonder if that has any relationship to the desire in men to pedestalize women.
This reminds me of a couple of guys….
I have a friend that is a property manager for a number of small apartment complexes across the metro area. He is always telling me how he does the job of 3 people, because he has to do his job + the jobs of 2 other women that work in his office. The women sit around in the office checking and refreshing FB and instagram every 10 seconds to see if any new “likes” has come up on their posts and when they are not doing doig that, they messing with their phones all day. This forces my friend to work a solid 60 hours every week and the boss refuses to pay him OT, he just gets paid regular hourly pay, even after 40h of work in a week. 🙄
When I asked him “why do you allow this to happen?” he said he did not want to “upset the girls”. Not long after that, he sent me a text complaining about how “the bitches” complained to their boss that my friend forgot to pick-up the mail the day before at the post office. He was very angry that no matter how much he did for to make sure the two little princesses were not inconvenienced, they STILL turned on him over a small trivial matter. He is pissed off now and has began to shift the lady’s work back to them, but they are fighting him back tooth and nail. It is a matter of time now until one of the two spoiled princesses falsely accuse him of harassment. You just wait.
Another friend of mine from Orlando bent himself backwards for this woman he was dating. Not only she was 5 years old than him, she did not cook, did not clean, and barely worked 40h a week (she is Brazilian, and BR women are even worst than ours here in USA, they are incredibly lazy and are RADICAL feminists, worse than in Scandinavia). My friend, on the other hand, cooked for her (he is great cook), mowed the grass in the townhouse she lived in with her sister and her sister’s BF (a townhouse she rented with her sister), and helped her get things organized and even helped her with her laundry at her place. He even bought her a dog she wanted and once the dog relived itself inside the house a few times (since she was too lazy to take dog outside regularly) he came in to clean up. She said “your dog, the one you bought pissed and took dumps all over”. 🙄 After all this, she disrespected him during a party in front of everyone and blamed him for all sorts of problems in her own life. At least after months of abuse, this guy decided to drop his plan to get engaged with this woman 😮 and refused to get back with her after they broke up.
No matter what men do for women, they are always demanding more and more and in time, they become unhappier and more belligerent.
Men, understand this: the more you do/give/placate, the worst the situation becomes. The only way to manage relationships with women is to through assertiveness, Dread Game, and NOT give in to her demands (such as marriage or moving in with you, etc).
If a man does not take charge of the woman and does not cave in to her (they are shit-testing the man), that man will be screwed because that woman will grow more and more belligerent and will eventually cheat on him and if married, she will divorce rape him. Let her throw a tantrum. Let her make threats. That is just a test t see if you are the real deal or just a faker.
This is a great example from the 8-bit era of what happens when men cave in to woman’s demands (Dan The Man rescues the princess):
The problem is not giving advice to women. The problem is failing to WARN MEN not to follow the Feminist script. There is nothing wrong trying to advise women to escape the “lull of the dark side” (feminism). The issue is that men are ones being controlled by this evil force, because they want to “do the right thing”.
I am NOT someone who identifies with MGTOW. I am Red Pill Christian Conservative, with many populist leanings. Even someone who disgarees with some aspects of MGTOW cannot deny that MGTOW is playing a HUGE role here in fixing the mess we currently have.
The fix to Feminism is for men to take the Red Pill and act accordingly and for the rest of men to MGTOW, if they feel that is a better route than Red Pill/take-charge route. Do not give Feminists and women in your life 1 inch. That is the advice a pro-gun advocate once told me. The moment you begin compromising too much and giving in to female insane demands is moment that SHE is in charge and in turn, will make your life a living hell.
Men, especially white males, are a grossly disenfranchised and abused class in American today (in all of the AngloSphere, really). The only fix to this is to either have a “take charge” attitude, Red Pill-style or to MGTOW and enjoy the decline. This is a war and it will not be fun.
Men did not start this war, but we can sure hell finish it and win it. We just need to continue to spread awareness and men need to choose to Red Pill and confront or MGTOW and just coast. Either way, we can win this in time. In your own life, do NOT give in ot her demands, her tantrums, and her threats. Hold frame and fight back with Dread game and she will get in line if you have the balls to hold the line.
The best crash course in Dread Game, Frame, and relationship management, see: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-42283.html
What Heartiste does for Game is what Dalrock does for exposing Feminist “Christianity”. Worth a look on Dread, Frame, and more.
Revelation.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12&version=NABRE
But you’ve never heard the church call her a goddess. Close only works in horseshoes and hand grenades. Can you refute Mary is the mother of God or the Queen of Heaven?
“For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
Matthew 12:50
Was there a time Mary went against the will of the Father in heaven? Especially when He presented His will to her through an angel she had a pretty important decision to make.
How about the Holy Spirit…especially the main title she has?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1%3A41-43&version=NABRE
Also while Jesus was hanging on the cross he did tell his beloved disciple that she was his mother …but yeah there was no special significance or anything.
I can guarantee you…any group that starts spouting out ‘Mother Goddess’ nonsense will surely not be following Christ or His Father in Heaven. I doesn’t take them long to start removing masculine and patriarchal terms to reveal which side they are truly on.
@earl
I don’t want to spin this out of control but…
“Revelation.”
Show me where in Revelation “Mary” is mentioned.
“But you’ve never heard the church call her a goddess.”
Well, the RCC is VERY careful not to do that, you’re right, which I already acknowledged in my post. In many other aspects it comes VERY close.
” Can you refute Mary is the mother of God or the Queen of Heaven?”
Can you prove it? Mary is nowhere in the NT called any of these.
“Was there a time Mary went against the will of the Father in heaven?”
Paul tells us in Romans that all people have sinned. Do you disagree?
“she had a pretty important decision to make”
What decision? Let’s see what Luke says
“You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.”
no decision there, exact maybe the decision to NOT call the child Jesus
“The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.”
no decision there
““I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” ”
does this count as a decision? How could she decide against something that was foretold to happen? Prevent conception by the Holy Spirit Himself?
“especially the main title she has”
Exactly what title did the Holy Spirit give her there?
“while Jesus was hanging on the cross he did tell his beloved disciple that she was his mother”
So? Jesus made a specific statement towards the apostle John about the relationship between him and Mary. It does not say anything additional.
I’m fully aware of the interpretation the RCC has given to some bible texts, but those are allegorical or symbolic interpretations within a theological framework which already has set out to find “prooftexts” for an assumed “fact” about Mary (see how the Assumption of Mary is “proved” from the bible). You will not find such interpretation nor theological significance in any of the letters of the NT.
Hence although Mary is explicitly called blessed among the women by Elizabeth because she was the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ, no other explicit theological significance is attributed to her in the NT.
Compare that to the current significance of Mary in the RCC, and you can see she is exalted indeed.
I think (Scripturally) the highest title we could possibly give Mary is “Queen mother of heaven”. Mother of the King of Kings, but with no actual power. My understanding is that when Catholics pray to Mary, they are not asking her to answer their prayer, but to persuade her Son to answer it, since she showed her persuasive power with Jesus at Cana.
Of course, as a Protestant, I firmly believe the Scripture in 1 Timothy 2:5-6, “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.” I find no Biblical basis for any sort of additional mediator between us and Jesus.
‘Show me where in Revelation “Mary” is mentioned.’
Did you not read the Bible verse I put there?
@earl
“Did you not read the Bible verse I put there?”
Apparently you didn’t
I did…what woman do you think John is talking about there?
‘Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus.’
Mother of my Lord.
About the first comment, Bill Burr is doing his very best to backpedal from all the stuff he has said over the years so he doesn’t get blacklisted. Listen to the evolution of his Podcasts.
OT: The white knights are coming in to defend Serena’s outburst.
US Open 2018: Serena Williams’ claims of sexism backed by WTA
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/45468290
Who do you think is the woman being referred to in Genesis, Paul?
https://biblehub.com/genesis/3-15.htm
@earl
So you agree Mary is not mentioned in Revelation? Good!
What woman is John referring to?
‘She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.’
Nate says:
September 9, 2018 at 8:50 pm
Trust me, I’ve worked with a lot of younger men. Men’s good will is not exhaustible in the least, at least not with GenZ or the non cuck millenials. In fact what I am seeing is an explosion in the confirmed bachelor lifestyle among these two generations of men. None of them want to get married, and a lot of them don’t want anything to do with women in general. Nearly every young man I speak with on the subject has parroted the same thing “Women don’t love men, they are biologically incapable of loving men due to their reproductive nature.”
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I witness similar things in Europe.
There are only three basic types of young men left:
1. Players by chance aka naturals: Dress fashionably and focus on lifting, sometimes as early as 15 years old(!), not because of the manosphere, but because they “just get it” in Rollo’s terms.
Usually very superficial, friendly, outgoing, excellent social skills, easy to get along with….but no substance intellectually, job-wise or even in (very mild) aggressive sport events at work. –> all shiney, all superficial, very low to girly pain treshhold (read: compay soccer team matches, really mild stuff), unmanly amounts of fear/neuroticism under the surface.
Just a minor example: I had a turkish-German guy literally and unironically saying he was afraid of me, because I helped him & some guys prepare a buffet after match, taking out a blade and cutting up fruits. Apples and ananas, really…and mind you, this guy has more PUA-convertible surface skills + could likely easily outlift me any time of the day…and he shits his pants because some old fart has a poket knife and can cut foodstuffs without a expensive mechanical kitchen tool….weird.
2. Unconcious MGTOW tech/game nerds: Usually very learned, good job skills, work hard, good team players, eager to advance…but no superficial social skills at all, always oggling their smartphone, high potential at work but leave the VERY second they can (thus no real advances beyond their pure tech skill, ofc!)…to play only console games in their free time (not even PC games, strangely). Not even really interested in females, react seemingly sluggish, neutral and definetly non-flirty to girls, even if they literally THROW IoIs at them. Some extreme cases even can’t be bothered to agree to direct requests for sex ( even wherenthe company regulationsbdon’t apply), witnessed this more than once in the late stages of company social events – if asked, they evade with something like “You understand, but the other bosses don’t” / “I don’t think I am ready to get involved with women right now” (only they don’t use that as PUA-move but REALLY MEAN IT, WTF)
3. The truly stealthy guys:
Same as two, just that they don’t talk to anybody – not really omegas but not cool guys either, strange mix of type 2 and…well,non-descript social presence, many sick days, really hard to get them to say anything private at all. Medium work results, medium clothes, medium everything … perhaps they bang three girls a weekend, perhaps they are virgins, who knows? Their main characteristic is their social and emotional (sometimes physical) absence. They don’t have a bad or annoying presence, they are litterally without a social presence. You can’t leave them unsupervised (because they zone out to smartphoneland immediatly and TOTALLY, similar to type 2 but worse, bc they care little about work results, they just avoid punishment) but they follow instructions and work…medium well.
The only point of reference/communication I can find with them is games/console stuff.
Not judging them – I get their POV.
But I’m really surprised that they don’t cash in on at least some advancement work-wise…not for girls/family, but for themselves!
Dalrocks prediction about young men staying behind their potential because you don’t need it (strictly speaking) to enjoy luxuary for yourself is definitly confirmed in my eyes, though.
@earl
Let’s not get sidetracked in allegorical interpretation. You did not yet disproof anything I stated.
Let me quickly summarize: in the NT letters nowhere any explicit theological significance is given to the role of Mary in the life of the believer, even at locations where it would have been necessary to do so if it was important to believers to be recorderd in holy Scripture.
On the contrary, we find many instructions that seem to go counter any special spiritual role, both from Jesus as well as from St. Paul.
Jesus is the head of every man, and the head of woman is man. (1 Co 11)
Jesus is the single mediator between God and men. (1 Tm 2)
We’re explicitly instructed to ask Jesus anything (John 14;15;16)
So why should it not only be advised, but actively promoted by the RCC to pray to Mary to ask Jesus to do something for us?
That’s similar to a soldier instead of asking something of his general, to instead call the general’s mother to ask instead. As if the general would have refused it to the soldier, he would give in, because his mother asked him to. Would that not make the general’s mother effectively the commander in chief? Would not his mother be considered the true ‘head’ of this soldier?
If it’s not necessary for our salvation, why make a point out of it?
https://dioceseofbrooklyn.org/why-pray-to-mary-and-the-saints-when-i-can-go-straight-to-jesus/
Who is the woman John is talking about in Revelation?
@Earl @Paul
True Israel. The Moon is Rachel the Sun is Jacob and the 12 stars are all the 12 tribes of Israel.
Joseph’s dream back in Genesis is where I got this info from.
This is the reason for Sola Scriptura Earl.
@earl
I appreciate your contributions, but posting a link in response to a hypothetical question, and not responding to the main gist of my point is not sufficient to counter an argument.
The link does agree that praying to Mary is non-essential to one’s salvation though. Even according to the RCC we don’t have to do it.
I think the historical development of the role of Mary is still relevant to this website, as it clearly shows a progression in the role RCC male, celibate theologians ascribe to Mary from clearly a devout and blessed believer towards a status that is almost (yes, “only” almost) exalting her into a position of if not that of a goddess, than at least into a position of the greatest mortal to have ever lived, surpassing both Peter and Paul.
I cannot but see such developments as related to and influenced by abstract and psychological concepts of both woman- and motherhood (although typically in RCC thought, this womanhood does NOT include any sexuality) developed by selected celibate, male theologians with an Augustian view on sexuality.
If we question how the church became so blue-pilled, we cannot escape thinking about this.
Ask any married guy on this forum how marriage has developed his views on women, and how they were under a spell, pedestalizing women. I know I did. It is not called ‘red-pill’ for nothing.
Speaking of big bottomed girls, who can forget Spinal Tap’s Big Bottom:
Paul —
Yes Mariolatry is de-facto goddess-worship, and it is probably the greatest satanic deception in the entire church. In Latin America, there is usually no contest between Christ and Mary; Mary is deeply venerated and Jeshua is kind of a side-issue . . . just a helpless widdle beebee on the Blessed Queen’s arm. Etc.
And having grown up Catholic, you will never disabuse Catholics of this aspect of their dogma . . . pointing out the complete absence of Scriptural justification for Mary devotion/worship is useless. The desire in the heart of human beings for a female deity is very, very deep, and very old. Once that’s combined with powerful Catholic Traditionalism, it’s ov-ah. It will take King Jeshua’s actual presence on this planet to destroy this eldest of heresies. Even then, I expect it to re-surface at the close of the Millennial Kingdom.
That said, God made it clear in the Book of Revelation that the ‘Jezebel sheltering church’ is still considered part of His overall Church. However, members of the ‘Thyatiran’ church were warned against this specific fault. The Lord sees this particular controlling spirit as belonging to Jezebel, not to His earthly birth-mother Mary. So for Thyatiran members to continue in this error is to court great danger, which is exactly what the deceiver wanted. And got.
Paul — “If we question how the church became so blue-pilled, we cannot escape thinking about this.”
Yoop. This heresy was borrowed from early-A.D. gnostic sects, which in turn derived from the many, many goddess/fertility cults of the ancient pagan world. It’s linear but not discrete, because so many diverse elements were in play. Male theologians, typically celibate and thus easy to influence concerning the ‘sanctity’ of females, gradually developed what’s now the Marian heresy in (usually unconscious) combination with related pagan elements, e.g., the later Cathari sects and heresies. Which BTW centered on the holy-female pre-courtly-love scam that this page has covered extensively.
Thumbnail, this is how the Mary-as-kinda-deity deception developed. Lucifer is very clever, a lot more than human beings. A whole lot. You can’t defeat him through theology or intellectualism or human rationalism, you gotta obey because only that closes his ‘loopholes’ for entry.
feeriker,
My response: I hope she’s planning for a solitary future full of cats, wine, and head-meds, because 1) no man worth having gives a shit about her professional or academic achievements, nor wants to live with a woman whose life centers on those things;
To be fair, a woman who is an engineer (particularly from a country not distorted by AA), if attractive (very rare), is likely to have a far better personality than women in most other professions.
She might have a moderate interest in technology-related topics, be interested in building things rather than parasitism, and perhaps even be logical by female standards.
Contrast that to a Lawyer chick (avoid at all costs), or a Sales chick (uber slut), or some ‘non-profit’ female (total moocher).
Being married to a chick who argues for a living sounds like a nightmare.
There is no profession that destroys a woman’s attractiveness more totally than Law.
Remember that the same profession often increases a male’s attractiveness, for the same reasons.
Aggressive, argumentative, menacing, quasi-evil, always trying to trap others, and profits from pain. Women like men like this, but no man in his right might is even acquainted with such a woman (let alone married to one).
@earl
You felt in the old trap. “Ask a Catholic where X appears in the Bible”. And then, every explanation is met by disbelief. As if every Christian thing should appear in the Bible and do it in a literal way (and beliefs that don’t follow these criteria are not Christian).
This strange idea, called “Sola Scriptura”, was unknown in the first 1500 years of Christian life until Luther invented it. Even now, most Christians (Catholics, Orthodoxs, Orientals) don’t believe in that. Only the churches who follow Luther believe that and, even them, they don’t practice it (where in the Bible is the story of the rebellion of demons against God?).
There is no verse in the Bible telling that the Bible is the only source of religious information (Sola Scriptura). In fact, the Bible says the opposite. (John 20:30-31; Luke 10, 16; 2 Tes. 2,15; Phil.4,9; 2. Tim. 2,2). Not to mention that the list of books included in the Bible was defined by the Catholic church about 400 AD (with other Catholic things, such as some rules for the clergy). Every time a Protestant opens the Bible expresses his faith in the Catholic church.
Earl,
You provided a link to the passage in a Roman Catholic Bible translation. According to the footnotes (sometimes they’re worth reading, too), “The woman adorned with the sun, the moon, and the stars (images taken from Gn 37:9–10) symbolizes God’s people in the Old and the New Testament.”
In case there is any doubt, that means the translators of a RCC Bible do not consider “the woman” in this text to be Mary.
@ feeriker
That’s probably false. Because only 10% (max) of engineers are women, female engineers get lots of attention from their male peers, starting in college, and on through their careers.
The biggest drawback for female engineers is that all the attention develops in them an inflated sense of their beauty. A 6 in the normal world gets treated like a 9 in engineer world. It’s like an ordinary girl moving from Miami to North Dakota.
Of course, that’s all based on my very limited experience. I graduated with an ME in 2003, served ten years in the Army, then got hired by a major oil company, and now work at an aerospace firm, so I’ve only worked in industry for about 4 years. That’s why I said probably.
As if we needed a study proving the exsistance of th wimminz catchin’ “the divorce flu” ..
https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/09/09/study-divorce-may-be-contagious/
DUH HUH!
I was born in Central America, lived there during my childhood, and still have many relatives living there. And I can confirm that the Catholic Church in Latin America teaches believers to worship Mary. And I literally mean worship.
In fact, Catholics in Latin America often refer to themselves as “Maryans”, not Christians. The priest at the Catholic church in our little town used to call out over loudspeakers on Sundays; “come Maryan people and worship Our Lady!”
American Catholics never believe me when I tell them that, but I assure you, it happens. In fact, not only does it happen, it’s the norm. Catholic priests also discourage believers from reading the Bible, telling them that there’s no way they could understand it on their own. Gosh, I wonder why.
The Church’s leadership knows all this happens, and they’ve certainly done nothing to change it. Surely the current Pope knows what goes on in Latin America.
To American Catholics who don’t believe me; I’m not asking you to believe me. I’m asking you to go see for yourselves. And when you do see it – and you will, because it’s true – ask yourselves why idolatry is not only tolerated, but encouraged. And if idolatry bothers you, then do something about it.
I suppose so.
Even the Bible states the oral tradition handled down from the apostles…so there’s goes Sola Scriptura argument.
https://www.scripturecatholic.com/oral-apostolic-tradition/
I don’t believe it because I live in a largely Catholic Hispanic community…so I do see for myself. There are many Hispanics who come to perpetual adoration.
You make it sound like they disregard Christ altogether and only worship Mary. As if that’s the only basis of their faith. It’s Mary only.
Besides if you lived there and seemed to tolerate it….why didn’t you ever speak out about this perceived idolatry? Did they never regard Christ in any way?
You make it sound like I could go into a Central American church and only worship Mary. Was there no sacrifice of the Mass going on? Was there no tabernacle with the body of Christ in there?
@ earl
If they worship Christ and Mary, is that somehow better?
I was born in Central America, lived there during my childhood, and still have many relatives living there. And I can confirm that the Catholic Church in Latin America teaches believers to worship Mary. And I literally mean worship.
My wife, who was raised Catholic in South America as a child, heartily seconds that assessment. In fact, she equates Catholicism with Santeria because of all of the idolatry and rituals she witnessed in her youth. She might have felt differently if she had been raised in the American RCC, but as a reborn evangelical today, she considers Catholics to be in as much need of salvation as pagans.
The Church’s leadership knows all this happens, and they’ve certainly done nothing to change it. Surely the current Pope knows what goes on in Latin America.
I won’t say that it’s unique to the RCC (I’m sure certain traditional Protestant denominations ,in their missionary work in the “underdeveloped” world, have done the same thing), but I suspect that the church has always been willing to overlook atavistic pagan behavior masquerading as Christianity. As long as it keeps the peasantry quiet and passive, fosters power and influence of the church, and keeps the money flowing to the Vatican they’re willing to be pragmatic.
That doesn’t address what I orginially stated.
Have they disregarded Christ and only worship Mary? Because I guarentee you that is certainly what will happen if it’s about idolatry.
@ earl
It does address what you originally stated, and if you would answer the question, you’d see why, which is why you didn’t answer the question. Is God content to allow people to worship someone or something alongside Him? Please answer this time.
If you actually believe this, then you need to go back and re-read the books of 2nd Kings, 2nd Chronicles, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Lamentations, and the minor prophets, because they clearly state that the Israelites continued to worship and offer sacrifices to God as they worshiped other Gods.
Now, please answer the question. Is worshiping Mary alongside Christ acceptable behavior?
earl,
Come on, earl. Oscar says he has personally experienced it in Central America. feeriker says his wife confirms that it is true in her experience in South America. And you have the gall to deny it “because I live in a largely Catholic Hispanic community”? The fact that you don’t recognize it, presumably in the USA, does not mean that it is not true in significantly large portions of the Catholic world. Think outside of your box.
By the way, I notice you have avoided the question of mention of Mary in Revelation after I pointed out what the RCC translators think. I suppose you now begrudgingly accept that to be true.
@imnobody00 “You fell in the old trap”
First Earl tries to defend his position by referring to several bible locations, while ignoring other bible citations I gave, and now suddenly “he fell in the old trap”? Yes, them darn ol’ Protestants with their blasphemous “Sola Scriptura” and such, always trying to trap the poor Roman Catholics.
LOL
All Christians should respect Holy Scripture. These were the writings acknowledged to be divinely inspired. NO other book is recognized to be divinely inspired. Maybe you should read that last sentence again.
It is only sound spiritual advice to check teachings against the revelations of Scripture.
Even Paul tells us so:
Gal 1: “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
And what was that gospel? It is recorded in the writings of the NT.
Nowhere in that gospel we are instructed to pray to Mary in relation to our salvation.
Acts 17: “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.”
To check if what someone says is true, we examine Scripture, just as the Bereans did. The NT writings are part of Scripture.
2 Tim 3 : ” But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
ALL Scripture is useful for teaching, rebuking, and correcting.
Do you want to argue with such advice?
Let me repeat that:
“the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.”
Has anyone explained to feminists that there is a point where men will withdraw their support? Its almost a house of cards situation.
Earl
“I don’t believe it because I live in a largely Catholic Hispanic community…
The term “Hispanic” is an invention of the US government back in the 1970’s. FYI.
There’s quite some variation between different countries that used to be part of the Spanish empire 200 years ago. Peruvians are not the same as Argentinians and they are different from Colombians, etc. Not all “HIspanics” are even close to the same.
If the “Hispanics” around you are mainly Mexican, be informed that interest in Mariology is waning there. A different entity has been attracting followers for a number of years now.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Santa_muerte
To this observer, it’s not that big a step from one to the other. You will no doubt disagree.
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