I know this is old news, but the video by Moms for Kavanaugh/CatholicVote.org stood out for doing something very uncommon in our culture.
Prachi Gupta at Jezebel was beside herself at the thought of humanizing men in her post Well This Is a Truly Deranged Ad From ‘Moms for Kavanaugh’
These men are good men. Many manly men do manly things, but never rape, only honorable things. If you are a man and came from a mother’s womb, you are not capable of rape. Because mothers. Because God. Because men good.
I’ve seen some criticism of women during the whole debacle for only being able to empathize with men when they considered their own sons, brothers, fathers, etc. Yet overall men showed even less empathy for good men being falsely accused than women have.
As a society we have nothing but contempt for good, respectable men, and this is most evident in our churches on Father’s Day. Obviously there was a political goal at stake, but nevertheless it was refreshing to see a group so thoroughly fight the culture (especially Christian culture) and for a brief moment honor respectable men.
“Ironically, a genuine misogynistic woman-hater is considerably safer in the current environment than the most passionate confirmed male feminist.” – Vox Day
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There is now a strict divide in the culture wars. Those that believe in innocence until proven guilt and those that believe in guilt no matter what.
Chose wisely. This is a war. They are you enemy, treat them as such.
If any woman in your personal circle… work, social, church, etc. says “always believe the woman…” Mark her as the enemy. Remember that if she ever has a chance she will completely destroy you and your family. Act accordingly.
As far as men overall showing less empathy for those falsely accused…. White knights always see an accusation as a change to amog and prove their worthiness. They also believe it improves their chances of getting laid.
Barring outliers like Jody Allard it is still unpopular to bash our sons, however much we heap scorn upon our husbands and fathers. I fear this will change, however, as feminists agonize over ways to make men feel unsafe. There is a huge crop of articles about raising boys into men who don’t rape, and although most of them don’t (yet) express outright hostility toward their little boys, they do express fear. A lot of fear. See this articlefor an example. I’m afraid the poison is spreading ever farther as we now gaze upon our 3-year-old sons and see sexual assaulters.
I’m old enough to distinctly remember Moms that took pride in having manly male offspring as those boys grew up. She got a status boost from it. I know 2 women with only sons. Six each. These women are legends in their own time to all the men that know them.
Dalrock
I’ve seen some criticism of women during the whole debacle for only being able to empathize with men when they considered their own sons, brothers, fathers, etc.
No one who knows women would criticize them for a lack of empathy towards men, because it’s like criticizing someone who is red-green colorblind for mismatched clothing colors. Women can empathize with other women (it’s arguably part of their known 4:1 ingroup preference). It is reasonable to expect that some women are trained to sympathize with some men – those whom they are biologically related to first, distant relations second, other members of their group third.
Yet overall men showed even less empathy for good men being falsely accused than women have.
Quite the sweeping generalization, Dalrock. Let me reply in the same vein: “Not All Men Are Like That”. Are we having a debate, yet?
Obviously there was a political goal at stake,
Ya think? Did the Irish Roman Catholic judge get support from Roman Catholic women out of pure altruism, or could there be some “ingroup women vs. outgroup hussies” action going on there?
but nevertheless it was refreshing to see a group so thoroughly fight the culture (especially Christian culture) and for a brief moment honor respectable men.
The video features a lot of sons, brothers and other family men. It’s not a bad thing, it’s a good thing, but let’s not make more of it than it is: a group that feels threatened decided to push back in support of a member of the group. As US culture fragments we can expect more of this.
PS:
Prachi Gupta at Jezebel
Her little oversized tweet was classic. She’s likely not married,has no son, almost certainly isn’t Roman Catholic, may not be on the same continent as her father, she works for a notoriously obnoxious feminist online tract. So there’s zero common ground between the single city girl feminist and the Roman Catholic mothers. Plus she gets a little happy face on her feminist merit badge for posting any kind of snark at all regarding Kavanaugh.
Frankly, both the video and the passive-aggressive response from a feminist intern look like just more of the Kabuki clown-car theater to me.
But I offer a golf clap to those involved in the video. It’s a nice gesture. Consider doing something like it more often…maybe next June?
Asterisk – not single moms. I guess I need to make that clear in this day and age. All the sons have one Dad and he’s been there the whole way. These are respected men. Even their wives seem to respect them. Is that possible? I’m sure I don’t know the whole story…
The best analysis I’ve seen yet.
Heidi
Barring outliers like Jody Allard it is still unpopular to bash our sons, however much we heap scorn upon our husbands and fathers.
Have you ever known a man who was raised by a single-mother feminist?
I’m reliably informed that life changes for a boy living with his divorced feminist mother and her divorced feminist sister right about the time he turns 12 or 13. It changes quite a lot.
However, that stuff goes on privately rather than publicly, so it isn’t as visible.
There is a huge crop of articles about raising boys into men who don’t rape, and although most of them don’t (yet) express outright hostility toward their little boys, they do express fear.
Control of men is always important to women. The less that women actually understand men, the more they tend to fear them. Feminist equalism teaches women to interact with men as though they are women, to expect and even demand that men relate like women. This is like Lysenkoism, and it is failing. Consider it another bonus of the feminist myth of equalism, that fewer women actually have any understanding of men at all.
Bonus: Men can endure a lot of hate. But as the level of “hate” approaches infinity, they tend to check out in various ways. US women are making themselves the most disliked on the planet. That might not turn out well for them in the long run.
Some feminists turn to rituals and witchcraft to heal themselves after the horrible trauma of Kavanaugh’s confirmation. Scroll down for an example of “witchthevote” tweet.
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/10/10/17952388/magic-ritual-spells-self-care-feminism-brett-kavanaugh
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That’s what I got from it…she’d rather come from the viewpoint of dehumanizing feminism than motherhood. To expect a feminist to start suddenly see men as human would take a great conversion.
@Dalrock…
What made you come to that conclusion?
‘Some feminists turn to rituals and witchcraft to heal themselves after the horrible trauma of Kavanaugh’s confirmation.’
Goes to show these women have no clue what’s doing the traumatizing and what’s doing the healing.
Before the Senate vote on Kavanaugh, I overheard my wife and some of her friends discussing this. I didn’t get everything, but after 36 years of marriage with in-laws who don’t speak English, I understand a fair bit.
These are long married Latina church ladies, with grown sons, and who desperately want more, or any grandchildren. They are finally beginning to understand and comprehend why so many of their sons never wish to marry. It’s not a Trump demographic, but he will only be president for 4 to 8 years. Their missing grandchildren are forever.
Three weeks ago they saw Trump as an Anglo who hated Latins, now he’s a guy who sticks up for their sons against those Anglo-bitches.
Sheldon Whitehouse has lost that demographic.
I did find the main video amusing at the 31 second mark. Brave sons, taking risks, making sacrifices; firemen, soldiers, and getting married.
Are some Catholic women starting to get the current state of marriage?
I don’t know…I certainly haven’t heard any acknowledge things like what we talk about here.
It is nevertheless remarkable how even when complementing men for being masculine, brave, sacrificial, provisional and protective, etc. in a video like this one, such complements from women are rooted primarily in what men provide, namely our male utility and disposability. Suddenly what was a complement doesn’t seem genuine anymore, or even nice.
Men are rarely complemented for who they are anyway, especially not by women. Hell, we are not even human beings most of the time.
So I disagree vehemently that men are humanized to any meaningful extent, even with such over the top videos.
As long as you have women in overwhelming numbers spouting off and agreeing whole-heartedly in debunked statistical lies like “1 in 5”, etc. men will continue to be regarded as creeps, rapist and dormant monsters…..or as fuckboys: https://www.scarymommy.com/war-on-men-twitter-thread/
Can’t get my hopes up too much even when a handful of women are gradually coming to their senses, shaking off the drunken euphoria of #metoo and #timesup righteous indignation, just long enough to imagine their own sons or grandsons surviving this baseless allegation onslaught.
So only when her own genetic success is threatened by a well-meaning Sisterhood fad can she possibly garner just enough common sense to stand up to it, disagree with it and begin to defend against it? That would be funny, if it weren’t so pathetic.
It takes me back to a comment I once read on Youtube from some middle-aged male divorcee about a video regarding modern age dating and marriage.
The Catholic Women have a point, a point well-used by the Manosphere: ”false accusations could destroy YOUR son, husband, brother, father”. This statement was considered misogynistic just 2 years ago, and it now, courtesy of the Kavanaugh Affair and Trump Derangement Syndrome, becoming mainstream.
I predict that in 2019, feminism will have imploded and women will be declaring either that they were never feminists, or that feminism never existed. I’ll only believe them when the legal apparatus of feminism – the Family Court, no-fault divorce, and Child Support institutions are dismantled. Add mandatory DNA paternity testing at birth for all children as well.
As for Prachi Gupta, she can join the long list of card-carrying feminist harpies at Jezebel whose only contribution to society is – what, exactly? All they ever talk about is how laws should be altered to allow women to be lazier and more selfish. She just may slip up enough one day to give birth to a son in order to empathise and who will grow to resent her, if she doesn’t abort / feminise / abuse with boyfriends /gender reassign first.
Look at the second thing Kavanaugh was accused of – briefly exposing himself at a raucous college party. This is obviously a bad thing, but to feminists this act of exposure is by itself is considered almost as evil as attempted rape or even actual rape, and any man even accused of such a thing in his youth should be publicly disgraced and run out of public office.
Those do need to be dismantled…but I’ll speak of the essence of it.
Feminism will cease to exist the minute white knights and other sneaky males stop propping the terrible ethos up in hopes that m’ladies will bestow upon them some token of affection. Think how far feminism would have got if male thirst wasn’t involved.
The male divorcee got it right…the minute women start seeing men are becoming indifferent to them is when the panic will finally be felt.
Any man or woman who is a Feminist, not matter how “mainstream feminist” is the enemy.
The FemiNazis have spent 50+ years of preparation and groundwork, creating a legal system that is so unfair to men criminally and in family law, de-humanizing men in schools, media, and education, while systematically oppressing them by discriminating men for jobs, college admission, and even in legal proceedings.
They (Feminists) have allowed and encouraged between 22 and 30 million illegal aliens to enter the country, with backing of corrupt big business interests and the Feminists biggest financiers, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, and Tom Styer. They sucked off the country’s wealth with a welfare system for the rich and feminists, and have given us $20 Trillion in debt. They have emasculated men, weakened our military, police, and emergency services, They have burrowed themselves in our company’s HR departments to further hurt men at work,. They have used media hysterias, like MeToo, to unleash their rage on innocent men and destroy them financially and send them to prison unfairly.
They have completely destabilized our society, churches, and country. It appears that they feel they are finally ready for open war. It sure feels like the FemiNazis have started their active war these past few weeks. It is all over TV, news, internet, Tweeter… Not seeing this reality is either willful or blatantly ignorant.
I do honestly believe now it is either you are with us or against us. A woman is either with fairness for men, treating them as human beings or they are the enemy. The time for middle grounds is clearly over. Everyone will have to choose a side.
Maybe some women are beginning to get this reality. I do NOT believe in AWALT, it is simply a preposterous concept. Any woman ready to wake up and join the side of sanity and fairness is welcome. The rest, they are the enemy.
Men should offer Feminists no quarter, regardless of whether they are men or women.
@Dalrock says: “I’ve seen some criticism of women during the whole debacle for only being able to empathize with men when they considered their own sons, brothers, fathers, etc. Yet overall men showed even less empathy for good men being falsely accused than women have.”
Agreed, Dalrock. beta Males are the worse cucks when it comes to showing no empathy for other men falsely accused of crimes. I called one out here myself. Go check out @Ray, he laughs at men falsely accused of crimes by Feminists. I called him on his Blue Pill mentality of being hard on men clearly falsely accused of crimes. I called him on his reluctance to presume a man innocent of a crime.
Reference:
“I hope the #MeToo predators take this coward’s scalp [Kavanaugh], it’d serve him and his pathetic nation right. This cuckling is what American Women are pretending mortally to fear, lol. Yes of a certainly, the cucked judge with two hard-charging, empowered daughters, is gonna roll-back the gynarchy! Um hmm.”
Post on September 17, 2018 at 5:30 pm by Ray (#comment-286505).
Link: https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2018/09/16/it-turns-out-they-both-want-a-tall-man/#comment-286505
Re: Kavanaugh’s hard charging daughters
As a young man who is looking to be married, there’s nothing more intimidating than a woman who’s better than me because she’s been pushed and supported by her father. I think that is as it should be (intimidation from fathers determining mating pool for daughters) and they end up as the “ivy league” women that Jim from Jim’s blog talks about, but it might end up pricing a woman out of the marriage market of her peers. She’ll have to marry someone as old as Dad if she wants to have her hypergamy satisfied.
Anyway, It’s always been good hypergamous strategy to compete and best men in as many areas as possible. It either gets men to raise their game or it makes them self select out of her list of options.
Make no mistake…DODOs and AMOG type dads perpetuate feminism too. Why does his daughter need a husband when that’s what she basically is? She’s the one looking for a wife.
““Is this the best men can hope for? That women will finally be “nice” to us? ”
Women were never intended to be “nice” to men. Women were always intended to be wives to men, supporting their husbands and controlled by them.
#BelieveSurvivorsOfWitchcraft
@ c0l0nelp0pc0rn
With what kind of families do you suppose the Kavanaughs associate?
OFF TOPIC: In Germany, defend your daughter from a gropey “migrant”, go to jail.
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/10/10/police-file-assault-charges-father-defended-daughter-migrant-sex-attack/
You have to admire the perverse “logic”. Angela Merkel (an arch-feminist) imports millions of single young male “migrants” from patriarchal societies that actually view women not clothed in a hefty bag as “uncovered meat”* (exactly the kind of “patriarchal rape culture” that feminists purport to “smash”), then, when one of these “migrants” gropes a young German woman (which is exactly what one would expect), the same German government that imported the groper punishes the young woman’s father for defending his daughter, which is exactly what a father is supposed to do.
It’s mind-blowing.
* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/26/australia.marktran
Anyway, It’s always been good hypergamous strategy to compete and best men in as many areas as possible. It either gets men to raise their game or it makes them self select out of her list of options.
Funny, though, that Kavanaugh himself married a woman who was 9 years younger than he was (she was 30 he was 40), who was working as GWB’s secretary in the WH when BK was there. BA from UT, no advanced degrees. Obviously bright, but not the super-ambitious sort, more the “MRS degree” sort, which is admittedly atypical for her age.
@Earl
Wait wait wait…. you guys think Kavanaugh is an AMOG dad (Alpha Male Of the Group)?? 🙄
The dude is a total Beta/nerdy type and has probably always been one. I knew guys like him in High School, good, over-achieving types, but definitely Betas. They got zero girls most of the time, save some pity-date from some girl just as desperate… at some point. Mostly they dated down -1 to -3 points from their own SMV scale because they were often awkward and afraid of approaching girls (remember, we did not have Tinder or dating websites back then – you had to approach, call her family’s home #, and all that).
All the women that have known Kava since high school describe him as the “sweet guy type” or “very nice and polite” (decoded: BETA!).
This “nice guy” routine USED to work decades ago, when many girls ACTUALLY WANTED nice guy… as longh as he was higher value (or appearance rating) as the guy was. I saw of that rather frequently while in high school myself in mid-to-late 1990s. Many girls sought out decent-looking “nice guys”, which is amazing when thinking about today how Betas are used and discarded by women after they suck thier money on dates/gifts/travel/etc then divorce-rape them senselessly and go shack-up with some Alpha.
Watching his clips and demeanor, I never considered Kavanaugh to be an Alpha, aggressive type.
That is what makes it so ironical these women would accuse him of being a serial gang rapist or a party animal of some kind because he had some beer in school. These Betas had to drink all the time to be able to even say “hi” to girls. That is my assessment of Kava, if you guys see something in him that I missed, I will re-consider.
To think such a guy would be running a PUBLIC gang-rape ring with ruffies is laughable. 😆
The girl Kavanaugh was dating at the time of the supposed Dr. Balise Ford “rape” 🙄 said he was “so nice” it was basically a turnoff. The type of dude asking girl’s permission to hold hands type thing.
Kavanaugh an AMOG? I think not.
Yet overall men showed even less empathy for good men being falsely accused than women have.
This is normal behavior, really. Nothing feels better than putting another men down in comparison to yourself — again, this is normal, typical male behavior that has to do with jockeying in the male hierarchy. Same reason why pastors love dumping on men in their sermons.
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It is nevertheless remarkable how even when complementing men for being masculine, brave, sacrificial, provisional and protective, etc. in a video like this one, such complements from women are rooted primarily in what men provide, namely our male utility and disposability. Suddenly what was a complement doesn’t seem genuine anymore, or even nice.
Men are rarely complemented for who they are anyway, especially not by women.
Well that would be asking women to be something other than who they are. Men are evaluated by women in all contexts — not just the sexual/relationship context — in terms of what they *do* and not in terms of who they *are*. This is how women relate to men, and it’s perfectly normal — men have the “burden of performance” in all of their interactions with women, that is simply how it works, and it’s perfectly normal. Criticizing women for this makes no sense. It’s a better idea to help men better meet their burden of performance well in various contexts and to applaud and encourage men who do.
@Oscar
Angela Merkel is a globalist first, radical feminist second. She was an active member of the Communist party of East Germany and her ideology is Leftist in nature, but towards Communism. Communism = GLOBAL socialism.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/angela-merkels-unlikely-journey-from-communist-east-germany-to-the-chancellorship-a6738271.html
Angela Merkel wants to destroy any resemblance of German culture and identity. Easiest way to do that is to mass import foreigners and demand Germans adapt to THEIR foreign culture, not other way around. So they rationalize it many ways (we need more cheap labor; multiculturalism “enriches our lives”; tolerance = accept everything imposed by elites, refusing foreigner invasion = racism, etc).
These people are funded by rich globalists, like George Soros and countries paying into the UN’s many “programs”. The concept was created long ago by globalists, many from the infamous London School of Economics.
So….
By inviting in what is going now on OVER 3 MILLION barbarians from Africa and Middle East, Merkel is destroying any resistance to an UN-style global govt. The architects of global governance and globalism want a “borderless world”, no countries, no cultures, no religions.
Given the low birth rates of native Germans (thanks, feminism!), and the sky high birth rates of 3rd world barbarians + the # of kids they bring in with them already, you can see what is going to happen in less than a decade. Frabce is already at about 15% Muslim… Sweden is headed that way too, even faster, since it is a small country to begin with.
Once a country loses its national identity (homogenous population, common language, culture, and majority religion, the country ceases to exist. A global identity is now possible, the idea of a global government would be appealing to millions of immigrants (not integrated into a country) to accept and support.
Once you have that much foreign immigration, a country becomes a bunch of random people living in same geographical area with nothing in common. Think: California. It is chaos.
Notice how the biased, cucked, Germans react: they charge father with a more serious crime than the Muslim. The Muslim SHOULD have been charged with Sexual Battery, not “sexual assault”. Assault is a lesser charge, while Battery can be a felony (in a sexual case, would be felony, likely making him eligible for deportation). An Assault = basically a “threat” and a Battery = actual touching/striking/harming.
I can assure you, local news will read “horrible racist German radical assaults innocent migrant in train station”. These dunces live and feed off their “German guilt” from the supposed crimes parents and grandparents may or may not have committed. 🙄
Finally, I have to say I do NOT feel bad for women getting attacked by Migrants. Go look at the “welcome refugees” sign holders in Europe: almost 100% women and rest is ultra-Betas “males” or gay-looking dudes. They vote OVERWHELMINGLY for open border /socialist political parties. So TFB; they are getting what they voted for. I will not intervene if I see b!tches getting assaulted by migrants. They earned it.
The only reason small patches of women are rejecting feminism at all is because they are afraid of something far worse than misogyny – namely a growing indifference among men.
We as men have to start showing each other respect, just for being men, created in God’s image, before women will ever do it. I can’t repeat that enough.
I have been flipped! By the #MeToo movement. Even though I consider myself the hero type, who would ordinarily want the chance to put my life at risk to save others, I will have to suppress that instinct. The false rape charges are an attack against all men. It is now a declared war on men, by womankind. I now have zero, I repeat ZERO, concern for any woman who is raped, whether falsely or genuinely. I don’t give a shit. Until this war on men is called off, I believe we are at war, and every adult woman deserves to be raped, for her complicity in the destruction of men’s lives. Sorry if you have not reached that point yet, but that is where I’m at. If I see a woman being raped, I’m just going to assume it is consensual, and that she likes it rough. If she cries out for help, I’m just going to assume she is changing her mind and trying to throw her “boyfriend” under the bus. Every man deserves to be believed, in my mind. If he says it ain’t rape, I believe him. If he admits he is raping her, I don’t care, this is war, and shit happens. Collateral damage is going to happen. She can get over it. But I’m not going to risk damaging a man’s reputation for life. I’ll believe the best about him no matter what things look or seem like. Every man deserves to be believed. And I do believe them, and even if they claim to be guilty, I don’t care. Women can reap what they’ve sowed. Thanks to their willingness to believe false charges against men, I no longer care about any adult woman who gets raped. Tough shit! Get over it sweetie! I’m not going to let a rape accusation ruin a man’s life on my watch. I’m now officially indifferent until things change.
Those Ghastly Men! The Bloody Bastards
Oppressed Our Sisters and Our Mothers and
Our Mothers’ Mothers and Our Mothers’ Mothers’ Mothers
and Our Mothers’ Mothers’ Mothers’ Mothers
(with Apologies to Monty Python)
https://no-pasaran.blogspot.com/2018/10/those-ghastly-men-bloody-bastards.html
And WHAT have the bloody bastards
ever given US in return?!
Fear this will change, however, as feminists agonize over ways to make men feel unsafe. There is a huge crop of articles about raising boys into men who don’t rape, and although most of them don’t (yet) express outright hostility toward their little boys, they do express fear. A lot of fear. See this articlefor an example. I’m afraid the poison is spreading ever farther as we now gaze upon our 3-year-old sons and see sexual assaulters.
He prepared for a whole new generation of violent, misogynist (the REAL THING, not the feminist strawman) serial predators to be spawned, many of whom will wind up going full Edmund Kemper on their feminist mothers. Prepare also for society (especially women) to express utter bewilderment at why this is happening.
I’m old enough to distinctly remember Moms that took pride in having manly male offspring as those boys grew up. She got a status boost from it. I know 2 women with only sons. Six each. These women are legends in their own time to all the men that know them.
Those were the days when real women not only existed, but were a vast majority – before they went the way of the American bison and the condor.
Most women who claim to oppose feminism only reject some who espouse it. They are happy to partake in its benefits, including divorce on a whim because they are unhappy, as just one example.
There is nothing “our culture” about people from India. They need to go back and we need to end the H1B system. Import enough people who don’t share your culture and you end up like Tibet with Han Chinese.
‘Wait wait wait…. you guys think Kavanaugh is an AMOG dad (Alpha Male Of the Group)??’
You do know what DODO means, right?
Dad of daughters only.
@Sharkly
I say Amen to that! 🙂 Indifference can take many forms: ignoring them when they “demand men act chivalrously”, when men go MGTOW, when men spend more time with male friends than the woman, when men focus on themselves and enjoy their life. I have much more fulfillment in my personal life a widower with no kids at 36 then when I was chasing women like a lunatic to date one back when I was 20. The cost-benefit of having a woman in my life has shifted considerably.
First, yes, I have also noticed how many men are beginning to treat women with indifference and even with suspicion. If you see some crime against a woman on security camera pasted all over TV these days, the men only stop by to check it out (curiosity), to steal from her (opportunism), or to take selfies (selfish self-aggrandizing).
With HD porn, pay-4-play, and women giving themselves away online/in bars/Tinder at such record speed, there is no reason to do anything “extra” to get the girl. Then you have video games, hobbies, self-improvement time, work, school, gym, going out with friends, etc etc to have time for a woman to demand all sorts of stuff, from my time to my cash or my dick. Women cost ==> time + money + energy.
Many times these days, I am just not even in the mood to deal with nonsense from women for the wethole. The demands and the bitchiness has been dampening my enthusiasm as of late. There are so many awesome things I can be doing with my time these days, spending time with some broad ain’t one of them many times.
This trend of men ignoring women will only grow with time. We should all be thankful for that. 🙂
Now…. If you want to be a “hero” today, call 911 and report the crime and even that is a risk to you, because they will come to you later to see if you “know anything else you did not report” or whatnot (meaning you do not mind cops popping up at your home or workplace to question you further).
Being a “hero” to a stranger in America today will almost always land you in criminal or civil court. If you make it to the news and truly get to be a hero for a 45 second spot on local TV, some ambulance-chasing lawyer will find the person(s) you helped/saved and will see if they want to sue you (for something).
In civil litigation we have a saying “somebody ALWAYS pays!” (meaning someone can always be shaken down for some cash, be insurance, the victim, or your own client).
That is, you get sued in civil court IF you do not get somehow dragged into the mess you tried to help someone out of, gets arrested (unfairly), and you end up unfairly formally charged with a crime (by Assistant DA). Until it all gets sorted out, your life will be on hold for months, sleepless nights fearing the outcome of the criminal case, the mounting costs, and the lifetime “arrest record” that will pop-up in every “background check” website for $1.99 per name search.
I could sit here for hours just writing about some poor sap who wanted to be a hero and got his life in an upheaval and ended up with thousands of Dollars in attorney’s fees or with a lien in his house and income or in jail.
Just one quick case we had years before. I remembered this case a couple weeks back because one of my friends asked me to borrow my SUV to bring a tree and some shrubs over to his new house and get it in the ground. That would mess up my spotless, beautiful SUV which I need to drive between States for work, so I had to say no. Because this guy is a personal friend, I sadly had to lie and I said “insurance would not cover it” and although that is NOT true, I did not want to seem like a jerk to a friend.
In any case…. here is what happened with our client:
A few years back, we had a client, an elderly pastor from a small church down in Central FL. He had a van and many members would borrow the pastor’s car on a regular basis. One day, this man came into the church and asked to borrow the Pastor’s van. He took the van and used it to haul off his kids and run away, defying the Emperor’s dictates (Family Court Judge’s orders). The cops put an Amber Alert on the man’s car, not knowing he had Pastor’s van!!!! 😮 Finally, when nighttime came and man had vanished and never returned the van, our client, the Pastor, called man’s wife, and asked about her husband.
Once the woman learned about Pastor lending husband the van, she called Court and they ARRESTED THE PASTOR for aiding and abetting a fugitive, aiding in the commission of a felony, and abetting the kidnapping and delinquency of children under the age of 12 (all but one were 3rd degree felonies, one was a 2nd degree). It was 100% clear to the woman that the Pastor DID NOT KNOW the husband was going to flee with the kids, thus why Pastor called woman about the van!! 😡 She still implicated Pastor and the prosecutors went to court right away day and Judge issued arrest warrant (“bench warrant”) on the spot and the Judge ordered the Troopers to conduct a Statewide manhunt “they made it an All Points Bulleting” (APB), so guy was caught a few hours later.
Meanwhile, the Pastor was arrested at home after the cops served a search warrant and searched his house and basically made it look like a tornado hit the home. 😮 The Pastor got booked in jail at the Max 2 part of jail, an area where people facing life in prison go to, many hardened criminals in that section of county jail!
This happened on a Thu and we did not get a bond hearing until Tue morning. The Pastor was an elderly man and the stress of a SWAT team kicking down his door and dragging him and his wife at gunpoint outside caused the man to have a heart attack while in jail. This was horrible but at least it moved him from Max 2 to “medical wing” of jail. This was a huge relief for this innocent man because he said he was in a very dangerous place and the stress caused the heart attack (he had no prior history of heart issues).
Long story short: the cost of the whole thing to get charges dismissed was $8,000 Dollars. The damage the SWAT team did by breaching his front door, flipping stuff around, kicked his wiener-dog and cracked his ribs and paw (we think happened accidentally, but cost vet’s bills like $600 bucks or so), and the medical treatment he needed afterwards remained for life (medications, insurance deductibles, tests regularly etc). The Pastor had to do a fundraiser to try and recoup some of the money, but he fell very short and had take it out of his modest savings, sadly. Small church, middle and lower middle class folks. This was a grave injustice, of course. But this is COMMON.
Oh…. How much was The State liable for and could be sued for over this boondoggle? $0.
It is called Sovereign Immunity (in FL State Constitution and most States), and the case was technically valid and legal, since the Pastor did technically help the man take his kids and violate a court order, even unknowingly. The Court had no way to know if Pastor was collaborating with the husband to kidnap kids and the search warrant was legit. But until you can get prosecutor and Judge to see and understand this, the case moved forward as if this man was the devil himself.
Folks……………… I have a LOT of legal work experience, real-life cases I worked on, and now law school. “Being a hero” is a movie I have seen before many times… and spoiler alert: it always ends with the hero in either civil or criminal court. ❗
I said this before and will say it again: DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH OTHER PEOPLE’S CRIMINAL SITUATIONS, unless you want to take a wild ride through the American criminal justice system and help the lawyer’s kid buy a new car for their birthday.
@earl
No, I never heard of DODO (Dad Of Daughters Only). It sounds like hell, though! 😆 I would hate to raise a daughter in a feminist culture like we have here anyway.
Just keep in mind, at least IMHO, a dude like Kavanaugh is hardly an AMOG or an Alpha Male of any kind. He could a greater-Beta, at best, and that is being generous to him! 😀
**Maybe @Dalrock can place a small link on toolbar with a simple page, a running list of common Acronyms we use? ❓ **
I can contribute my on-going list of definitions/acronyms of Game concepts. I had been working on one for RoK, but they are on hiatus now and have not published it (since my list is still not complete). Many of the ones in my list apply to the discussions here perfectly.